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    314159265358979323846264338327's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldora View Post
    Because you are purchasing an in-game virtual item from the cash shop and selling it for an in-game currency, that alone would violate the "Real Money Trading" rule mentioned within the ToS.
    It's not against the ToS because you aren't buying in game gil for real world money. You are buying an item from the mog station with real world money (not ToS breaking). You are then selling an in game item for in game money (also not ToS breaking). How people can think you can be banned for trading in game items for in game gil is truly mind boggling.

    I don't know why everyone is so worked up about it anyways. There are any number of items that I can make and sell for far more than a platinum bracelet, and it doesn't cost me a single real life cent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 314159265358979323846264338327 View Post
    It's not against the ToS because you aren't buying in game gil for real world money. You are buying an item from the mog station with real world money (not ToS breaking). You are then selling an in game item for in game money (also not ToS breaking). How people can think you can be banned for trading in game items for in game gil is truly mind boggling.

    I don't know why everyone is so worked up about it anyways. There are any number of items that I can make and sell for far more than a platinum bracelet, and it doesn't cost me a single real life cent.
    But that’s just the point. In this example you are selling an in-game item which you’ve created with in-game features (like crafting, gathering and purchasing ingredients from the market boards). No external incentive like Real Money has come into play here when it comes to acquiring the item you wish to sell or it’s ingredients.

    When it comes to the Wedding and Dye items you can only get by purchasing them with real money, that’s a whole different story.

    You purchase an item from the Mog station through the use of real money, then use that same item to sell it to another player for an in-game currency.

    You might think it’s mind boggling how people think you can should be banned by selling an in-game item for an in-game currency, but it’s not about selling an item for an in-game currency. It’s about how you got the in-game item which you are trying to sell for an in-game currency.

    You didn’t craft it yourself or used in-game features to gather the ingredients for it. No effort was made into creating this item, next to going to the Mog Station and purchase it with real money.

    So, yes. You are indirectly buying buying gil through the use of an in-game item you’ve purchased with real money through the use of the Mog Station.

    Unless we get an official statement from Yoshi-P, the above can be considered a bannable offense due to a violation of the ToS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldora View Post
    But that’s just the point. In this example you are selling an in-game item which you’ve created with in-game features (like crafting, gathering and purchasing ingredients from the market boards). No external incentive like Real Money has come into play here when it comes to acquiring the item you wish to sell or it’s ingredients.

    When it comes to the Wedding and Dye items you can only get by purchasing them with real money, that’s a whole different story.

    You purchase an item from the Mog station through the use of real money, then use that same item to sell it to another player for an in-game currency.

    You might think it’s mind boggling how people think you can should be banned by selling an in-game item for an in-game currency, but it’s not about selling an item for an in-game currency. It’s about how you got the in-game item which you are trying to sell for an in-game currency.

    You didn’t craft it yourself or used in-game features to gather the ingredients for it. No effort was made into creating this item, next to going to the Mog Station and purchase it with real money.

    So, yes. You are indirectly buying buying gil through the use of an in-game item you’ve purchased with real money through the use of the Mog Station.

    Unless we get an official statement from Yoshi-P, the above can be considered a bannable offense due to a violation of the ToS.
    Like I said in my previous post,as much as I don't support it, buying gil with real money isn't against their ToS per say. It's legal as long as you're paying SE. You paid for their item, they don't care what you do with it in game. It's illegal when someone makes real money profit from someone else's business product. You play that virtual product and make profit off someone else's work. That's the only reason RMT is pursued.
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    Last edited by Edeline; 12-11-2014 at 12:24 AM.