Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Sapphic]

Just because someone can do something does not always mean they should. People will abuse and misuse anything if they can and in this case that is what has happened to it.

I get it now You can no longer sneak into farm parties due to the soldiery mesasage giving it away. So you are taking out your frustration on the forums.

Making your own PF party is a no go as you would have to put in some effort to learn the fight and not just get carried by an unaware farm party. XD

[Sapphic]

That's fine and all, but I hadn't mentioned coil at all, I can understand apprehension about it in coil groups. I'm talking about, more than "rarely" as stated by Grekumah, I have seen people flip out about it in -main scenario- roulette, where 1 bad person will not cause group wipes. That can be done with just 3 or 4 people, easily. But because that message comes up, they start ragging on anyone not in relic/coil weapons for being shitty because it's their first time. Yes. It does happen. Personally, I fish for the bonus in every dungeon/roulette I do. Others do not look at it as we do though.

Never seen that on EU server DF.

Must be a US thing.

[Zedd702]

I get it now You can no longer sneak into farm parties due to the soldiery mesasage giving it away. So you are taking out your frustration on the forums.

Making your own PF party is a no go as you would have to put in some effort to learn the fight and not just get carried by an unaware farm party. XD

Actually you don't get it at all... Try going back to page one;post one and see that the MAIN topic was never about PF, buty specifically about people that utilize the bonus tomes message as a gauge for player skill/experience. It's really never been about PF until Ellatrix came in here claiming that this is due to people sneaking on PF. I am in agreement PF = party creators rules, but to utilize this method in DF, that's where the line should be drawn...

And please, have a tad bit more class than trying to insult someone by accusing them of trying to work their way on to a farm PF, which again was never the topic of this discussion. Snugglebutt has only voiced her opinion...

[Krr]

So with the latest patch allowing people to buy and sell clear flags for T10 and beyond, are people still deluded enough to think that having a clear is any signifier of skill or experience in this game?

[Zedd702]

So with the latest patch allowing people to buy and sell clear flags for T10 and beyond, are people still deluded enough to think that having a clear is any signifier of skill or experience in this game?

Couldn't have worded any better myself...

[Ellatrix]

So with the latest patch allowing people to buy and sell clear flags for T10 and beyond, are people still deluded enough to think that having a clear is any signifier of skill or experience in this game?

Someone who has not cleared still hasn't cleared it. Someone who has at least has a pretty good chance of knowing how to do their part of the fight and not kill the raid. The people who buy/get carried remains a minority.

That seems to be an important fact lost upon many. If you haven't cleared it, you still haven't cleared it.

[Zedd702]

Someone who has not cleared still hasn't cleared it. Someone who has at least has a pretty good chance of knowing how to do their part of the fight and not kill the raid. The people who buy/get carried remains a minority.

That seems to be an important fact lost upon many. If you haven't cleared it, you still haven't cleared it.

A clear does not equate experience. THAT'S the point, Ellatrix, regardless if you think the carried are a minority...

[Ellatrix]

And not having a clear means you don't have a clear, so you probably don't have sufficient experience to clear.

Having a clear means you probably have experience.

The outliers on both remain a minority case.

[Zedd702]

No they don't... I like how you can speak for other worlds as if you have access for the numbers of players that are actually carried through paid runs and doing so without ANY fight experience. Come with facts, not what ifs, buts and probabilities... The fact remains in black & white but let's bold it again so you can see it clearly...

A CLEAR DOES NOT EQUAL EXPERIENCE. PERIOD.

[Divine_Intervention]

I joined an Ifrit Extreme farm the other day, I hadn't gotten the clear.

I'm an i112 WHM, had been farming second coil before it all got nerfed. I like to think i'm pretty good at reacting to what's happening.

Of course, SOL message appeared, i put my hands up. 3/4 of the team instantly left and made a new party.

Those of us who remained then went in again, and i cleared first time, no issues.

Clear does not equal skill. Just because people haven't cleared something yet, doesn't mean they are incapable.