[Helper System]Just What We Needed, Nothing That We Wanted

[Ultimatecalibur]

As long as there is a warning when you zone in that alerts you to how many chests will drop things should be fine.

The 1 to 4 = -1 chest bit is to prevent one-man static jumping from being viable while still rewarding those that help and those getting their first clear for the week with assistance. 5 to 8 = zero is to prevent carries/carriers from farming gear.

A normal "fresh" 8 man static/party finder pug is still the best way to do if you want to gear up.

There's really no reason to use this system unless you have half the group being veterans (which is typically how you'd do clear stuff for other content anyhow), or if you were trying to get your win at the last minute and needed to get a ringer.

Which is why this system was created the way it was.

[Yukiko]

As long as there is a warning when you zone in that alerts you to how many chests will drop things should be fine.

The 1 to 4 = -1 chest bit is to prevent one-man static jumping from being viable while still rewarding those that help and those getting their first clear for the week with assistance. 5 to 8 = zero is to prevent carries/carriers from farming gear.

A normal "fresh" 8 man static/party finder pug is still the best way to do if you want to gear up.



Which is why this system was created the way it was.

I smell many GM tickets because searching for 1 more player and a "hopping player" joins in. How can you know he finished it this week?
First: as said above - one more does not guarantee a win and it only works on FC hopping to abuse the lootsystem
Secund: there are better ways to aim for hopping abuse if they liked to protect the "weekly loot"

[Ultimatecalibur]

I smell many GM tickets because searching for 1 more player and a "hoping player" joins in. How can you know he finished it this week?
First: as said above - one more does not guarantee a win and it only works on FC hopping to abuse the lootsystem
Secund: there are better waiys to aim for hoping abuse if they liked to protect the "weekly loot"

Which is why there will be a alerts along the lines of "Due to including between 1 and 4 members who have all ready cleared one less chest will be rewarded to upon completion." and "Due to including between 5 and 8 members who have all ready cleared no chests will be rewarded to upon completion." Just as there is an alert for when someone new is attempting a duty.

If you zone in and get an alert that you were not expecting you have reason to quit the duty and kick out the offending party.

[SarcasmMisser]

Haha here it is, despite all the people saying that they don't care about loot they just want to see the story, when SE actually does this here are the people who actually want loot after all. Is it the same people or are people just being dishonest about how badly they want to get carried?

I smell many GM tickets because searching for 1 more player and a "hopping player" joins in. How can you know he finished it this week?

Try reading the patch notes.

Prior to entering the Final Coil of Bahamut, a dialog prompt will indicate both the number of players in your party who have completed the turn, and the number of treasure coffers available upon completion.

[Yukiko]

I smell many GM tickets because searching for 1 more player and a "hopping player" joins in.

Have a day work in a support center or helpdesk center and you know what i mean, just warned you

[Namasu]

Haha here it is, despite all the people saying that they don't care about loot they just want to see the story, when SE actually does this here are the people who actually want loot after all. Is it the same people or are people just being dishonest about how badly they want to get carried?

And the mask comes off! They just want more loots and don't care that they can play with their friends and fc at all!

[SarcasmMisser]

And the mask comes off! They just want more loots and don't care that they can play with their friends and fc at all!

Well obviously because this system lets them do that so I don't know what the problem is? If you have a problem with this you care more about loot than most complaints let on.

[ruskie]

One thing is I'd love to help people this way. Other thing is if it means they lose an extra chest I'd then rather not. I mean you can't get loot either way if you got your clear. I think 1 = 2 chest; 2-4 = 1 chest and 5+=0 chest would be fine. 5+ stops loot selling, 2-4 can mean helping the 4-6 people in your FC that want to do it but can't find a group and 1 can be I cleared it with my static and that other static is looking for someone to do it this week because their other person is busy or whatever else.

[Kerwin]

This is pretty dumb. Because once the members of the party clears the turn, they are locked out of the loot for that turn till next week. So only 1 person out of the 7 others (excluding the 1 vet) get an item.. Bah did they even think to ask the community before implementing this? Tired of these changes that come out of the blue.

[Vagdal]

Well obviously because this system lets them do that so I don't know what the problem is? If you have a problem with this you care more about loot than most complaints let on.

Because bringing a SINGLE person equals the same impact as 2 or 4 so the penalty is justified right? One person can totally carry entire FCOB oh wait...
So me trying to say help the other static in FC royally screws 7 other people. Food for thought if youd want to carry then bring 4 people experienced with clear to turn with 4 others who havent cleared this way you get better chances for 4 people and possiblity of kill since penalty is about same lol.

The only situation this system has any potential use if your group gets screwed up with schedule and cannot raid anymore in a week lockout cycle then youd consider brining replacements and try salvage something out of it and that doesnt happen that often.