WAR viability in T12 and T13?

[Ellatrix]

Because it's inferior. Our SCH chose to not dps as much to make the fight safer as our dps was sufficient. Your FC killed it shortly after we did anyway and the only reason you didn't have i130 weapons is because you chose to have DPS spend poetics on gear upgrades cause you were trying to kill it a week earlier.

[Haxetc]

Because it's inferior. Our SCH chose to not dps as much to make the fight safer as our dps was sufficient.

So our SCH felt safer with a WAR tank than your SCH did with a PLD tank? Your DPS was barely enough to make it through this fight and that's with 3 i130 weapons. I don't understand your logic unless there isn't any behind your posts.

[Ellatrix]

Our kill was 13:53. Yours was about 13:58. So I suppose your DPS was also "barely" enough to make it through.

[ThanatosPrimordialis]

Seems I was pretty much right about my assumption that WAR is a great job to have for FCoB, especially better than double PLD. I did have him go WAR last night. However, he was severely under performing. There were attempts where I would get to my fourth Dancing Edge before I saw a Storm's Eye. I didn't see Eye kept up consistently throughout any encounter, which led to either having to put DE, or be unbuffed for an unknown period of time. There were times where I didn't see Eye OR path up. And the best part... one our second time instanced in T11, which was made up of 7 attempts (didn't check for the first instance), his DPS averaged 158.

I've SEEN him keep Eye up throughout fights, and I've seen him do 200+ as WAR in fights. I strongly believe he was under performing on purpose as an immature way to speak against having to go WAR. Or maybe he believes I'll just have him go PLD for doing poorly as WAR. Either way, instead of accusing him of deliberately doing that (though I strongly believe is what's going on), I'll just tell him what I saw, that if it was on purpose it has to stop immediately, and if it wasn't on purpose, I'll direct him to a good tanking video guide or something, like Xeno's. *sigh* I feel like I'm dealing with a child -_-

[Haxetc]

We didn't kill it after your group and we probably spent less time on than your group did. That isn't the point tho. The point is our SCH was able to DPS more than your SCH and our WAR didn't have any problem in the MT role. The point of this thread was the OP asking about WAR survivability so why are you getting so triggered? WAR MT = more DPS while losing nothing. Pls

Our kill was 13:53. Yours was about 13:58. So I suppose your DPS was also "barely" enough to make it through.

Your group had 12 more weapon damage lol. Are you seriously not taking into consideration the DPS increase from that?

[Ellatrix]

We killed it on Friday night, you killed it on Saturday afternoon. You did clear T12 before us so... you had more time on T13. Your DPS also had i130 body pieces so they had that upgrade in addition to not having to use as much i90 crafted for the VIT, so sure weapon is important but it isn't the only thing to keep in consideration.

PLD is still flat out better than WAR in the MT role for T13. If you choose to do WAR, yes it can work, but that doesn't make it the better choice or even make it a neutral choice.

[Haxetc]

I looked at the time and date posted and figure you killed it on the 15th. If you did kill it on the 14th than it would have been a few hours before us. This isn't even the point lol. If you want to get into who was better off for the fight DPS wise it was definitely your group other than the PLD MT. There is no way that us buying soldiery gear puts us close to what you guys had. If you were still wearing VIT accessories after getting the i130 weapons it wouldn't make sense. I don't rly understand how you think you know what gear we bought lol. Also, we didn't really put much time into 13. If you're going off our T12 kill date than you're doing it wrong since we didn't spend any time in there on the first week and I took a few days off in the second week :/ Still, nothing is showing how PLD MT is better than WAR MT. Pls halp.

[Haxetc]

We killed it on Friday night, you killed it on Saturday afternoon. You did clear T12 before us so... you had more time on T13. Your DPS also had i130 body pieces so they had that upgrade in addition to not having to use as much i90 crafted for the VIT, so sure weapon is important but it isn't the only thing to keep in consideration.

PLD is still flat out better than WAR in the MT role for T13. If you choose to do WAR, yes it can work, but that doesn't make it the better choice or even make it a neutral choice.

You have yet to post anything of relevance showing that :/

[lulunami]

In response to the OP, WAR is very viable in T12 and T13 and all of FCoB.

WAR can have Inner Beast for every tank killer move and can be paired with Vengeance/ToB/etc. so very good mitigation. Storm's Path is good to have up for those really damaging moves should you need it. Storm's Eye is a dps boost to PLD and NIN. WAR has great snap aggro so good for quickly picking up adds too.

Not to mention, WAR can provide a good amount of dps as MT or OT. If your WAR chooses to use STR melded acessories, it will increase group's total dps as well.

Basically, a properly played WAR will add more of a benefit to your group than another PLD in my opinion, so I disagree with your PLD's assertion that WAR is not viable/survivable in T12 and T13.

[Ellatrix]

You have yet to post anything of relevance showing that :/

You mean except for every other point I've already made?

Sure, if you want to take more tank damage and higher raid damage, go WAR MT. The combined damage of PLD WAR and SCH is going to be about the same anyway.