So we have to NOT include Bards when it comes to comparing all the classes? I thought I remember you saying:
There is no "support" role in XIV. BRD is a DPS with a shit ton of utility and nearly 100% up time in every single fight this game offers.
If SE consider bard as a dps then yes they should get a buff aswell as making adjustment(spelling) to songs to avoid stacking bards.
If SE consider bard as a support class then they should deal lower dps than others
In both case if your utility affect your raid dps to a point where its reduced by 15-20%, Then monk and nin should be dead last with bard because they bringst utility no other class can bring. unlike summoner with res and blm with virus
Last edited by hallena; 12-07-2014 at 11:04 AM.
Try do a raid without songs and see how far it gets you.If SE consider bard as a dps then yes they should get a buff aswell as making adjustment(spelling) to songs to avoid stacking bards.
If SE consider bard as a support class then they should deal lower dps than others
In both case if your utility affect your raid dps to a point where its reduced by 15-20%, Then monk and nin should be dead last with bard because they bringst utility no other class can bring. unlike summoner with res and blm with virus
I swear, some people live just to piss people off, thinking they know so much about something blasting out their opinions when what they really know is small in comparison to others.
The point of the matter is, there is always a reason to bring in a particular job to a raid group.
Monk has dragon kick, highest single target DPS, and a 20% mantra, a stun, an a silence (which is hard to time, but let's add that anyway)
Ninja has the vulnerability debuff, second highest single target DPS (arguably) and a 5% mantra (if cross classed) and -10% more slashing resist and GOAD
BLM has apocastasis, eye for an eye, str/dex VIRUS, Lethergy which can slow/heavy (mostly seen used on T5 dreads and T12 Bennus)
SMN has eye for an eye, VIRUS, Battle Res, tri - disaster bind, a knockback move (through garuda), a stun (through ifrit) and Heavy with the effect coming from Miasma
BRD has Songs that are invaluable to the raid, so I definitely don't need to explain why a BRD has it's use.
Now let's look at dragoon
We have a Piercing Debuff, 2 Stuns and a 5% mantra (if cross classed), and let me even drop the skill Feint with it's extremely limited use (especially since it's a GCD skill) That's all we have to give, compared to the others, there is really no reason to have a Dragoon to a raid.
Each class has a place in the raid why dragoon doesn't, not only are their Utility lackluster in compared to other classes, their DPS is also lower in comparison to the other melee classes.
I think melee should outdps ranged dps in single target since ranged have a way bigger aoe potential than the melee. Take BLM for example. They can keep up a DRG dps on Single target as it is right now, while being able to nuke the shit out of adds with flares and Fire 2, that pulls way more damage then any melee aoe. This is true with ninja too, where their only aoe options or either ninjutsus (that they can use once every 20 seconds). Brd have 3 aoe moves to, and can actually pull decent aoe damage, and same with smn where dots can spread and deal good amount of dps, even on a lower number of target.
If you add to that that range should deal higher dps than melee on single target, there'll be no reasons to bring any melee ever. Melee deal higher dps on single target because thats what they are made for, while having a lower Aoe potencial.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
Cookie Policy
This website uses cookies. If you do not wish us to set cookies on your device, please do not use the website. Please read the Square Enix cookies policy for more information. Your use of the website is also subject to the terms in the Square Enix website terms of use and privacy policy and by using the website you are accepting those terms. The Square Enix terms of use, privacy policy and cookies policy can also be found through links at the bottom of the page.