Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[HeavenlyArmed]

i keep everything going. don't have issue with TP.

I have trouble believing you've done a fight that lasts longer than a couple minutes on DRG, so you don't have the experience to know what you're talking about.

[Viridiana]

I have trouble believing you've done a fight that lasts longer than a couple minutes on DRG, so you don't have the experience to know what you're talking about.

Note that it would also need to be a long fight with no disconnects. Things like the primals usually have a DRG-invigorate worth of downtime.

[AlphaDragoon]

you may be gung-ho about posting illegal program screenshots on the forums my friend but i am a man of dignity

This just sounds like "I can't actually do it and I made up numbers off the top of my head" to me. Whereas the DRG player handed out the receipts, you seem to be dodging around it. Maybe you can actually hit those numbers but it seems dodgy when you get called out on it and don't want to produce any kind of evidence.

Note that I'm not a DRG (play MNK and NIN) so I don't have a dog in this particular fight. Just calling it like I see it.

[Doublestep]

This just sounds like "I can't actually do it and I made up numbers off the top of my head" to me. Whereas the DRG player handed out the receipts, you seem to be dodging around it. Maybe you can actually hit those numbers but it seems dodgy when you get called out on it and don't want to produce any kind of evidence.

Note that I'm not a DRG (play MNK and NIN) so I don't have a dog in this particular fight. Just calling it like I see it.

and i'm just calling it like i see it; a player is cherrypicking entries of an illegal parser

[hallena]

and i'm just calling it like i see it; a player is cherrypicking entries of an illegal parser

Seems to be like you're butthurt because good dragoon told you the class is fine when it come to dps
People usualy get defensive when they hear "The problem isn't the class, it's you"

[Ephier]

Yep, the main issue with DRG is not the damage itself, but maintaining it. Missing a heavy thrust or impulse drive can be detrimental.

[Orlandeu]

Seems to be like you're butthurt because good dragoon told you the class is fine when it come to dps
People usualy get defensive when they hear "The problem isn't the class, it's you"

doublestep has a little bit of merit. So this guy gave us a 520 dragoon parse but at what conditions? Whereas a similarly geared monk can dish out more if not equal damage without milking the dummy for mercy strokes and relying on getting that 33% crit rate run. In a real fight scenario, your group isn't gonna reset the fight just because you didn't have the "perfect run" to reach your 520 dps.

[Daweism]

doublestep has a little bit of merit. So this guy gave us a 520 dragoon parse but at what conditions? Whereas a similarly geared monk can dish out more if not equal damage without milking the dummy for mercy strokes and relying on getting that 33% crit rate run. In a real fight scenario, your group isn't gonna reset the fight just because you didn't have the "perfect run" to reach your 520 dps.

All of your points are invalid in THIS case whereas we were strictly going on about how much DPS a DRG could pump out on a DUMMY. Many said they didn't believe 520 DPS @ iLevel 114 with a Nexus was doable, it took me a "few" tries to get it but it wasn't had, I didn't sit there for hours on end til I finally hit perfect RNG and got 520 DPS. Nor did I claim anything about this is DRG DPS during actual encounters. Perhaps if you read the prior posts leading up to this you would know these things, but clearly what you have said makes it seem you have not.

[Orlandeu]

All of your points are invalid in THIS case whereas we were strictly going on about how much DPS a DRG could pump out on a DUMMY. Many said they didn't believe 520 DPS @ iLevel 114 with a Nexus was doable, it took me a "few" tries to get it but it wasn't had, I didn't sit there for hours on end til I finally hit perfect RNG and got 520 DPS. Nor did I claim anything about this is DRG DPS during actual encounters. Perhaps if you read the prior posts leading up to this you would know these things, but clearly what you have said makes it seem you have not.

Excuse me but that post wasn't directed to you or your dummy numbers. I understand the purpose of your super1337 DRG was to show people that a dragoon can do this much DPS on a dummy provided you give it a few runs and use mercy stroke everytime it's off CD. I get that. I think we all get it. Good job.

I just think it's pointless to go around telling people that a dragoon in 115 weapon can do that much. When all it really is, is a padded DPS number.

Look at this guy for example:

Seems to be like you're butthurt because good dragoon told you the class is fine when it come to dps"

he sees a 520 parse on a dragoon and thinks the class is fine. LOL

[Daweism]

Definitely agree with you there, it may be giving people the wrong idea. Dragoons as a class are definitely under performing in raids in terms of DPS and utility. Didn't mean to mislead people by putting up a super1337 parse. I am on the same boat as you, I am very sad at the current state of the Dragoon.