Thanks for removing all fun in crafting.

[DenebPunkin]

I do agree. I have come to the realization that RNG is really what drives success in this game.

A buddy of mine got all his DoL/DoH maxed with the new crafter gear, fully melded off hands all HQ wihtout blowing out any materia melds. Out of 20ish T4 runs he got 13 of the new mats.

Another buddy got 3 atma weapons in a week.. of random sporadic farming.

Another buddy caught all the new obscenely ridiculous requirement fish in a matter of days.

Another buddy runs through Titan EX for the first time and gets the pony (this has happened sooo much to me when helping friends clear the primals that I no longer do it T__T)

Several of my buddies all ran SCoB once, maybe twice and were nearly fully geared getting their respective drops.

I do agree. I have come to the realization that RNG is really what drives success in this game.

A buddy of mine got all his DoL/DoH maxed with the new crafter gear, fully melded off hands all HQ wihtout blowing out any materia melds. Out of 20ish T4 runs he got 13 of the new mats.

Another buddy got 3 atma weapons in a week.. of random sporadic farming.

Another buddy caught all the new obscenely ridiculous requirement fish in a matter of days.

Another buddy runs through Titan EX for the first time and gets the pony (this has happened sooo much to me when helping friends clear the primals that I no longer do it T__T)

Several of my buddies all ran SCoB once, maybe twice and were nearly fully geared getting their respective drops.

Here I am, still trying to get the Divine Tank gear, the shirakiree set, desynthed about 25 specs and have only gotten 2 MDems, and thats only because half of them failed. Every time I try to overmeld it fails.. and I have yet to get a fully melded offhand. I roll in raids, dungeons and what not.. not higher then 30... I mean... why T_T

[Nyalia]

desynthed about 25 specs and have only gotten 2 MDems, and thats only because half of them failed.

Err, so you're saying you desynthed 12 specs (successfully) and received 2 MCDs? That's actually lucky. Your chance of getting one is about ~15%, so 12 successes gives an expected return of 1.8 MCDs. You getting 2 is above the average.

Now, me desynthing 63 and getting 4, that's below the average and quite annoying, especially when 50 of those where I didn't get an MCD were in a row. I went to Mor Dhona with 500 spicy tomato relish, came out with 47 rose gold nuggets, 2 rose gold ingots, and 1 FC3. I was quite upset and demoralized. Then a while later, I made a ~5 more specs and received 3 MCDs in a row. RNGesus works in mysterious ways?

[Kerwin]

Whoever designed demimateria to be used in recipes just because they added the desynthesizing feature should be removed off the team. RNG is crap to work with. I've stopped caring about the crafts because of this.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

RNGesus works in mysterious ways?

Really that just makes Demimateria a convincing argument that there is no loving god.

[Sessurea]

Lol u can just buy them, they are like 800k on odin. For someone interested in getting a supra....that shouldn't even strike you as a lot.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Lol u can just buy them, they are like 800k on odin. For someone interested in getting a supra....that shouldn't even strike you as a lot.

You don't get to tell people what they consider "alot" or how much money they should have. You can take that and go away, if that's how you're going to be.

[giantslayer]

Back to the original premise of the thread, I find almost no fun in the 4-star content. Working my way up through 3-star prior to the patch was fun. The 50 items for artisan tools was pushing it a bit, but was acceptable and made 3-star feel like a real accomplishment.

Making the stuff for the 4-star books was fun (no sarcasm). It was a good challenge and I had always wondered just how far I could really go if quality didn't cap at 5000ish. I can see how most people would have a very hard time pulling it off, though. I really don't have a problem with some stuff being gated behind a high skill requirement.

I quickly figured out that the grind and/or cost for Ehcatl Sealants and MCDs was simply not worth it. People talk about how it should be hard to gear up 8 classes. Point taken. I recently priced out gearing two classes at 16 mil in only those two materials. Fine. I could spend 16 million gil to gear up and what does that get me? Well, I can make i110 stuff. They cost 1-3 million in materials each. Ouch. If the equipment is for my personal use, I could get poetics for i120 and soldiery/sands for i110 for a modest investment of time compared to how long it would take to make 25 million gil by crafting.

Well, I could make 4-star to sell for money, right? Mats cost 1-3 mil per piece, and other people are attempting to sell i110 for 2-5 mil on my server. I90 hardly had any buyers at 1 million Gil when it was comparably new. Why would i110 have buyers at 3 million? Overall monetary inflation isn't that high. Crafters would want to make their own. Raiders get better gear from raiding. About the only players I can imagine in that market at that price are RMT buyers, and demand from them is apparently fairly weak. Based on the Tells I get, it costs quite a bit of real money to buy that kind of gil.

At the end of the day, the risks outweigh the rewards and the costs outweigh the benefits. By a long shot.

P.S. There was a part of the last live letter where one guy was explaining to Yoshi that it cost him 1 million Gil to get his Supra and Yoshi was reacting like that was too much. I find a bitter humor in that because it currently costs 3-4 million to make one on my server.

[Ellatrix]

You don't get to tell people what they consider "alot" or how much money they should have. You can take that and go away, if that's how you're going to be.

If you can't afford to straight up buy a Supra, you don't have enough gil to act as seed money to craft 4* anyway, thus you don't need a Supra.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

If you can't afford to straight up buy a Supra, you don't have enough gil to act as seed money to craft 4* anyway, thus you don't need a Supra.

Hey, you know who gets to decide how much money I should have or what I should be allowed to get?
Not you.
You are totally uninvolved in that.
Go away.
Shoo.

[Ellatrix]

Hey, you know who gets to decide how much money I should have or what I should be allowed to get?
Not you.
You are totally uninvolved in that.
Go away.
Shoo.

If you don't have gil, generate the items yourself. If you can't accept that part of RNG is part of high level crafting now, stop crafting. If you can't afford for the synth you're doing to blow up in your face, you shouldn't be attempting that synth.

Sorry truth is hard.