XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

[Velhart]

People should go back to WoW, or GW2..you know where majority of Yoshida's design "Inspiration" came from?

Why should we? We like where we are, you obviously don't.

What people like you seem to forget a game has to take place in the same world for it to be a sequel, or even in a world related to the same one as the previous game. Did you know? XIV barely has anything original in it and most of it is fanservice or a spin on WoW's designs? If anything, ARR is just Final Fantasy + WoW-2 atm. Most enemies came from either XI, XII or XIII and some of the entire concepts came from other FF games. Also the only ones hurt are the ones who consistently tell people to leave. That's being bitter.

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design. FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest. Starting to see a trend here? Also, Final Fantasy has been reusing monsters and certain themes dating back to the first one, what is so different here? They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue? None of us are hurt here that you are butt hurt this not being FFXI-2, its actually funny if anything that people let their imaginations run wild that SE will see this apparent "error of their ways" and revamp the game to meet the needs of the few who want FFXI-2. Don't take that as there are no good ideas from FFXI, just these forums are pretty good at requesting the bad aspects of it.

[BobbinT]

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design.

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue?

Did you ever played FFXI & FFXIII? Cause if you don't, I guess you never know that some of mobs exist in ARR are downright exact copies of their XI/XIII counterparts. There are way too many mobs from XI reused that I can't list here, you really need to play XI to know that. Heck, it even makes me think that Vana'diel & Eorzea were actually exist in the same universe because of the abundance of reused mobs here.

And dreadnought in XIII? I thought it was quite original until I got the chance to play the PC version until chapter 4 (i think), which struck me dumbfounded. That DN has exact design between XIII & ARR. You can't ignore the fact that this is just way too lazy.

I've no problem with the reused concept since the first iteration, but at least each series has their artwork collection quite unique. You can even see the FF mascot (chocobo & moogle, including cait sith since FF7) evolved through each iteration. Same concept, but different designs. Heck, even FFXIV 1.0 does have unique designs too. And that's one thing I love about FF.

The problem I see with ARR now is that it seems losing it's FF identity and got merged by various stuff that's not really makes each FF series unique. Back when FF9 were made, we already been informed that it'll be combination of concept from previous FF series. However, the end result makes it unique on it's own. In a way of re-used concept/design, you should try comparing ARR with FF9 and see what makes FF9 unique and why ARR wasn't.

In the end, ARR has just become mere marketing tools. Didn't really give me special feels as with what XIV 1.0 & XI did despite the flaws.

[Velhart]

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Boils down to people expecting FFXIV to be FFXI. Well, fact is FFXIV is not FFXI. Doesn't matter if there are the exact same copies/clones of FFXI mobs or whatever. Final Fantasy series are all under Square Enix and they are free to reuse whatever model they like. However, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV is a separate game from FFXI. Deal. With. It.

Need to be careful, people don't take too kindly to common sense around here.

[BobbinT]

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Sadly, you still lack enough knowledge for making that assumption. I played all FF till 12th series & DQ till 9th series. About 1.5 years in XI & installed EQ. I suggest you study well before making one. ^^;

[Velhart]

Sadly, you still lack enough knowledge for making that assumption. I played all FF till 12th series & DQ till 9th series. About 1.5 years in XI & installed EQ. I suggest you study well before making one. ^^;

Well if we are waving the e-peen. I have played everything with the name Final Fantasy slapped on it and every version, port, or remake available in NA since I was young and each main title at least five times (well, except 13). Also including FFXI almost every day from 2003 to 2010 and FFXIV from 1.xx alpha to now. Dragon Quest I have all versions from 1 to 9 you can get in NA including the JP copy of DQ5 and 6 for the Super Famicom and the Monster spin off series. Its nothing major to show off, since most fans of both have likely played them all. Saying I lack knowledge of the history of the series is not a thing however.

Final Fantasy was influenced by Dragon Quest and other games: "At approximately the same time, Square designer Hironobu Sakaguchi began working on an ambitious new fantasy role playing game for the cartridge-based Famicom, inspired in part by Enix's popular Dragon Quest (originally known in the United States as Dragon Warrior)." You can find this mentioned by Sakaguchi himself in most interviews with him about the initial concept of FF. (Also, you got to be pretty damned dense to not see how similar DQ and FF are in design of it's mechanics.)
Source: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...y_%28Series%29

FFXI was influenced by Everquest: "Final Fantasy XI, Square Enix's other Final Fantasy MMO, was developed as a game where Final Fantasy would meet EverQuest—the top MMORPG of the day. In fact, according to Yoshida, the entire staff played EverQuest for at least a year while developing FFXI, trying to figure out just what exactly made it work so well. "I think it would've been good to do the same thing [for the original FFXIV].""
Source: http://kotaku.com/5963155/new-final-...h-the-original

Ohh look, only took me 5 minutes to find both.

[Aegis]

Well if we are waving the e-peen. I have played everything with the name Final Fantasy slapped on it and every version, port, or remake available in NA since I was young and each main title at least five times (well, except 13). Also including FFXI almost every day from 2003 to 2010 and FFXIV from 1.xx alpha to now. Dragon Quest I have all versions from 1 to 9 you can get in NA including the JP copy of DQ5 and 6 for the Super Famicom and the Monster spin off series.

You may want to seek help.

Seriously though, I thought the EQ inspiration for FFXI was pretty well known. Hell, EQ inspired most MMORPGS of the early 2000s. They called it Evercrack for a reason.

[Velhart]

You may want to seek help.

Naa i'm good.