Women and Armor!

[Gralna]

Lol, Aegis is still trolling this thread? If you read through everything he doesn't even really care about how revealing gear is for female characters.

I think I missed the film where Jessica Rabbit was a warrior swinging a battleaxe at a raging primal. If lounge singer were a job in this game, that gear would be very appropriate.

Stop trying to be the staunch protector of women's rights you're pretending to be, only reason you're keeping up this argument is that you want this game to be based on historical dark ages combat. Here's some news for you, this is a FANTASY game, the laws that govern it's existence are all entirely made up. You want to play a game where everyone wears head to toe plate armor? there are plenty of options out there for you, but please stop trying to force your view onto the rest of us who actually enjoy this game.

Someone please close this thread so people can read threads that have actual legitimate topics to discuss, saw there was a good one in housing thread about permission settings.

[Aegis]

This might surprise you, but...

Those are two different shirts, they will have different PRNs. My wife can physically walk to the rack I got my shirt from, buy one (albeit probably in a much smaller size) and she will be wearing the same clothing as me.

Stop trying to be the staunch protector of women's rights

I just can't help posting when I see people who think chain mail bikinis are in some way empowering or at least not at all degrading.

I'm far from a feminist, but I'm able to spot blatant sexism when it jiggles past my face in 'plate mail' made of dental floss.

Yes, but there is a reason they invented the female tees. Because they look better on females than the regular, male ones.

Go figure.

Because they fit better. No one's arguing the meshes shouldn't change on a female character to accommodate the physical differences. There's a difference between making those alterations for practical reasons and making other alterations for seedier reasons.

If I bought the shirt and casually let the shop assistant know I was buying it for my wife, I wouldn't expect the shop assistant to gouge out a cleavage hole with a pair of scissors.

I've not once disagreed with options being a good thing. Looking at this from a realistic standpoint, it is NOT viable to create several variations of the same outfit just to cater to an uppity minority. Creating armor is incredibly time consuming, especially when you have to adapt it to multiple different body shapes and sizes.

Therefore, the only real option here is that the developers can either create a variety of different appearances for a single armor set, OR they can continue to make new armor sets.

This has been answered before, adapting a mesh takes far, far less time than creating an entirely new design (female coatee top is a different design to male coatee top). They would make far more gear, and more options by keeping designs the same between genders).

Also, why is sexuality even a bad thing? Sex is an act of love and creating new life. Our bodies are beautiful, why should we not appreciate them?

Exploitation is an act of degradation, not love.

If you're going to complain about sexuality, I expect you to also be complaining about the violence. If you refuse to, then you have no leg to stand on in this argument. Violence is far more horrible than showing some skin is.

Well, I see where you're coming from, but there are two flaws in this argument.

1: It is not necessary to fight one injustice (even a greater one) before complaining about another. It's like saying you can't complain about police violence because there's a genocide going on somewhere.

2: The violence depicted by our characters and the 'good guy' NPCs is pro-social violence, the same reason we don't see soldiers as being intrinsically evil: their job is to protect, the violence is necessary.

Indeed, violence itself is not inherently bad. A boxing match is not seen as 'evil' or 'horrible' (by most, there are exceptions) even though competitors hurt each other to gain points and there have been both injuries and deaths because of it.


(Sorry for the previous post edit, but I'm at my daily limit - I guess the women of Eorzea will have to do without my 'pretending to be a staunch defender of women's rights' for a while)

[HakuroDK]

Someone please close this thread so people can read threads that have actual legitimate topics to discuss, saw there was a good one in housing thread about permission settings.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that housing thread already got answered and the rest of the threads are toxic, polarizing screaming matches about the cash shop.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Those are two different shirts, they will have different PRNs. My wife can physically walk to the rack I got my shirt from, buy one (albeit probably in a much smaller size) and she will be wearing the same clothing as me.

Yes, but there is a reason they invented the female tees. Because they look better on females than the regular, male ones. 95% (random guestimate) of females not ashamed of their bodies (for whatever reason) will go for a female tee.

Go figure.

Oh whatever. Clearly that is exactly the same thing as plate armor for a dude turning into a plate bikini on a girl. Besides the fact any woman can just wear a male t-shirt if they want. An option that often does not exist in games.

I just replied to this, see above.
But sure, and a man can also wear a skirt with thigh-high socks in real life. It would look quite bad, tho.
Those options do not exist in game because, unlike real life, you DON'T PAY for additional equip, while it costs resources to develop them.

Wait...

CASH SHOP GUYS
I JUST HAD AN AWESOME IDEA

[Rbstr]

This might surprise you, but...

Oh whatever. Clearly that is exactly the same thing as plate armor for a dude turning into a plate bikini on a girl. Besides the fact any woman can just wear a male t-shirt if they want. An option that often does not exist in games.

[Amused]

If I lend my wife my T-shirt, it doesn't become nipple tassles. My wife is able to buy a shirt the same design as mine without the person at the cash register swapping it with a bikini. The point is, in these games, women can't wear the all the same things as men. The option is never presented. The alternatives they are provided with are changed purely to show off sexual characteristics.

I've not once disagreed with options being a good thing. Looking at this from a realistic standpoint, it is NOT viable to create several variations of the same outfit just to cater to an uppity minority. Creating armor is incredibly time consuming, especially when you have to adapt it to multiple different body shapes and sizes. Therefore, the only real option here is that the developers can either create a variety of different appearances for a single armor set, OR they can continue to make new armor sets.

Believe me, I LOVE having more customization options. However, having several variations of the same set is not a realistic expectation. Development takes time.

>/Headdesk. Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that the plate mail bikini design is not designed purely for titillation? That there's a practical reason for it and a practical reason for men not to have the same? If not, then can you provide another explanation other than to promote their sexual characteristics? There is so much denial going on here.

Typically in these situations BOTH the male and female sets are impractical. I've not once in my life seen a game that has traditional, realistic, and practical armor sets for males, all whilst having bikini armor for females. The difference in sets is done to emphasize the difference in characters.

Also, why is sexuality even a bad thing? Sex is an act of love and creating new life. Our bodies are beautiful, why should we not appreciate them?

If you're going to complain about sexuality, I expect you to also be complaining about the violence. If you refuse to, then you have no leg to stand on in this argument. Violence is far more horrible than showing some skin is.

[Amused]

Someone please close this thread so people can read threads that have actual legitimate topics to discuss

I agree. There is no need for this thread.

[HakuroDK]

I've not once disagreed with options being a good thing. Looking at this from a realistic standpoint, it is NOT viable to create several variations of the same outfit just to cater to an uppity minority. Creating armor is incredibly time consuming, especially when you have to adapt it to multiple different body shapes and sizes. Therefore, the only real option here is that the developers can either create a variety of different appearances for a single armor set, OR they can continue to make new armor sets.

If I may interject, I vote going with new armor sets. The bikini/speedo/harness/subligar armor is absolutely meant for titillation, but it should be at the consent of the wearer whether they wish to dress like that or not. That's where my opposition comes from, really. The AF armors, if not glamoured with the Fuma set from LotA, don't leave much for a female ninja who doesn't want to show skin. AF gear should be uniform across the sexes. That is not to say that folks could not glamour the Cascadier uniform over the AF to make themselves sexier. That's their prerogative.

I dunno. I am a cisgender homosexual male IRL, and I have no desire to wear or oggle women's clothing. All I can say is that the holes in the DRG and NIN AF armors should be patched up and there should be more armors like the Coliseum series to appease those who wish to express themselves thusly.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I dunno. I am a cisgender homosexual male IRL, and I have no desire to wear or oggle women's clothing. All I can say is that the holes in the DRG and NIN AF armors should be patched up and there should be more armors like the Coliseum series to appease those who wish to express themselves thusly.

Point is, it has already been agreed that "more armors" is better than "less armors". Sadly it's hardly doable since the developer's resources are limited.

Put it like this: the current situation is the lesser evil.

Also yeah, equal AF gear means removing that incredibly beautiful absolute territory from the SCH armor.
That's completely unreasonable, sorry.

[Amused]

AF gear should be uniform across the sexes.

I respectfully disagree. I prefer the female NIN AF, but that's just me.