Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[Kaze3434]

the thing about eternal bond; regardless of if you pay real money or not, you can do it. what people are angry about is that they get nothing free besides the base items for the bond. this brings up a question tho. in what world do you get something for free for getting married?

[Riepah]

the thing about eternal bond; regardless of if you pay real money or not, you can do it. what people are angry about is that they get nothing free besides the base items for the bond. this brings up a question tho. in what world do you get something for free for getting married?

In what world can you not pay for things with cash earned in that very same world?

[Akuryu]

the thing about eternal bond; regardless of if you pay real money or not, you can do it. what people are angry about is that they get nothing free besides the base items for the bond. this brings up a question tho. in what world do you get something for free for getting married?

You don't get anything for free. PERIOD. We all pay monthly for this game. That's the point. Our monthly fees don't entitle us to the full experience, apparently. And I suspect that will be the growing trend.

I've seen people wonder if this game will ever go F2P. No, it won't. They'll just apply the F2P model ON TOP OF the subscription fees. Best of both worlds for them.

[Kaze3434]

You don't get anything for free. PERIOD. We all pay monthly for this game. That's the point. Our monthly fees don't entitle us to the full experience, apparently. And I suspect that will be the growing trend.

I've seen people wonder if this game will ever go F2P. No, it won't. They'll just apply the F2P model ON TOP OF the subscription fees. Best of both worlds for them.

thats my point. and people are mad about that. not me tho.

[Riepah]

thats my point. and people are mad about that. not me tho.

I think you missed Akuryu's point entirely.

[Arkine]

You don't get anything for free. PERIOD. We all pay monthly for this game. That's the point. Our monthly fees don't entitle us to the full experience, apparently. And I suspect that will be the growing trend.

I've seen people wonder if this game will ever go F2P. No, it won't. They'll just apply the F2P model ON TOP OF the subscription fees. Best of both worlds for them.

That's just horrifying.

[Kaze3434]

I think you missed Akuryu's point entirely.

not really. im indifferent to some of the things that are being added to cash shop. i think the point you think i didnt get was the whole sub not getting us the whole experience. it doesnt.

[Roris]

...pssshh....nothin personnel kid....

Anyway, this divide in experiences is even more clear in ARR especially due to the way its endgame content is structured, which leans heavily towards the vanity side.

Major raid content: only 4 Coil turns every 6 months, with a weekly lockout on the entire raid itself, lockout removed 2 patches later. Drops sets of most recent and most relevant item level gear.

Secondary raid content: 1 raid that's part of FF3 CT saga with a weekly loot lockout, lockout removed a patch later. Drops sets of gear 10 item levels below Coil and tome gear, drops gear enhancing items some in between patches later.
Major boss fight content: 1 featured primal fight of the patch, drops weapons and sometimes specific accessories of varying item levels below Coil and tome gear.
Dungeon content: 1 new dungeon, 2 dungeons using existing assets from the previous iterations of them. Only purpose is farming tomes, vanity gear, gear to turn in for GC seals or desynth, mats to craft more vanity and vanity minions.
Weapon forging content: ever evolving relic quest.
PvP content: Frontlines, Wolves' Den, provide gear of varying item levels below Coil and tome gear and the fun of PvP.

Side content: Chocobo training, Gardening, Housing, Crafting, Gathering, Hunts, maps, minions, mounts, Beastmen dailies, retainer ventures, Hildibrand quest and trials, challenge log, sightseeing log, the long and increasing list of old and outdated endgame content like dungeons, trials, CT/ST, old Coil turns etc. All provide mostly vanity and very little in terms of progression.

While DoH/DoLs might be full fledged classes, their progression is almost entirely vanity oriented. Hunts has a small exception amongst its mostly vanity oriented rewards due to Alexandrites and the relic quest, and the gear enhancing items being offered in an accessible way through them, until other even more accessible venues for these items open up. On the dailies side Ixalis are also an exception and that's only because they were introduced halfway through the 2.3 patches instead of at the patch start like all previous dailies, and also because 2.4 doesn't have a featured beastmen tribe because their current stories ended with the Ixali, so they had to find a way to still make them relevant.

So not only is there the existing and admittedly typical divide between hardcore and casual content, there's now a divide between that divide, with the bigger vanity side which constitutes a substantial part of this game taking the bigger hit monetization wise. How long until the hardcore side/PvE-PvP side takes a hit and gets divided and monetized upon too, despite the promises that it'll never happen or at least "no P2W"? The same sort of promises made about having CT at launch, housing prices, etc.

[Riepah]

not really. im indifferent to some of the things that are being added to cash shop. i think the point you think i didnt get was the whole sub not getting us the whole experience. it doesnt.

I'm pretty sure that Akuryu's point was, that the post, your post, which they quoted, made no sense. You claimed that people were mad because they get nothing for "free besides the base items for the bond."
Said "base items for the bond" already aren't even free, though, as there's a monthly free required to even play this game at all. So, no, people aren't mad because they aren't getting stuff for free - they're mad because they're expected to pay twice.

[Kaze3434]

I'm pretty sure that Akuryu's point was, that the post, your post, which they quoted, made no sense. You claimed that people were mad because they get nothing for "free besides the base items for the bond."
Said "base items for the bond" already aren't even free, though, as there's a monthly free required to even play this game at all. So, no, people aren't mad because they aren't getting stuff for free - they're mad because they're expected to pay twice.

ok, i see what you mean. i was taking out the sub fee because that is something people already expect to pay.