Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

(Not that I'd expect it to be fully read, I just like to write). Firstly, I'm fairly sure reading the data in the game can be considered against the ToS. It isn't something that should be done. The community have even been asked not to mine the files but they do it anyway.

Secondly, you have no proof of what the decision path was. Now I may be wrong, but I don't recall being told that Sleipnir Mount wouldn't be paid for via a cash shop. I don't even recall it being mentioned to be a thing until people discovered it by data mining.

It could have been decided to have been a cash shop item since day 1. It is only through data mining that the community speculated that the mount would come from the Odin Challenge. There was no proof that was the case, though. It was just speculation (which turned out to be wrong - and is one reason why dat mining is not encouraged).

Thirdly, more money being made by providing additional, optional services and items into the game, allows more money to be invested into the game itself (eg, by allowing more staff to be employed, or by providing better hardware for running the game on). Unless all of that money goes to outside sources, which have no bearing on the game at all (and would be a terrible thing to do), having extra avenues of income is not a bad thing. Even if only a percentage of the income goes back into the game (a considerable percentage, of course), it all helps improve the experience we have and allows that to happen at a faster rate.

Or can you not see that?

As an additional, regarding the P2P and the "but I pay a sub fee and that means I get access to all the content" comments that are always seen: This is not true at all. Your sub fee does not give you the right to have access to all of the content or an equal experience as every other player.

It lets you have unlimited access to the servers to start playing the game, and in the case of XIV it also gives you your character slots and two retainers for free. Once your on the servers, though, what content is available for free or not has nothing to do with your subscription fee. That's just how it is. This "sub fee only gives you access to the servers" is quite plainly evidenced by the fact that you often have to pay for the base game, or an expansion pack, to unlock the content that comes with it. "Oh, but that's different" I've heard said before. But no, it isn't. When you purchase the registration code for the game that code unlocks the content for you. And that content, even in the base game, is paid for content. That content did not come with your sub fee; it was actually a separate cost (though a lot of games offer a 30 day free trial out of courtesy and because it's a great marketing strategy).

When it comes to the optional services and items you can purchase via the Mog Station, this is simply extra things. Additional paid for content for the game.

In the User Agreement (which we all agree to when we install the game, and sign off on when we attach our registration codes to our accounts and log in), it is clearly stated how this all works. You'll find it all under Section 4 of the UA.

I'll throw them in here for easier viewing, emphasis mine:



That's what your subscription fee actually lets you have. Server access, a number of character slots depending on the fee paid and 2 retainers. Everything else falls under the "Additional Purchases" clause in the following section.

Is not data mining btw, it was on xivdb. haha.

And the money being made by the cash shop is in no way going to the game delopment, we already know not even most of the subscription money is going there, thats delusional, im going to look for the numbers revelead, but is arround just a 5% of all subscriptions and sales money what goes to developing, cash shop money is exclusively going to SE shareholders.

Yes, that says i hace access to my character, and then, i have access to all the things my character CAN do. Marriage being one of those things. Why is it getting divided in two again?

[Senliten]

Is not data mining btw, it was on xivdb. haha.

You do realize XIVDB is a third-party, pretty much they could of got the info from data-miners, just like with the sol gear.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Is not data mining btw, it was on xivdb. haha.

Xivdb gets all its info by datamining the patches as they are released.

[Arkine]

This thread got derailed pretty quick.

[Genesis-xyx]

I hate to stir the pot, so I've been trying to avoid these conversations but OP you really hit the nail on the head for me. I do not raid or participate in a lot of the extreme primals, the crowd drawn to them is usually unfriendly and unwilling to be patient with people who don't learn the fight the first week it is out, and that's not an additude I like to surround myself with. Also, I am far from a RPer, but it is the small "fluff" content in the game at I truely enjoy, the "optional" game aspects. I worked hard and saved for a FC house for my few friends in the FC and managed to buy myself a private house as well, infact it is these aspects that have me logging in daily. I have been so excited for the eternal bond system since it was announced, and now to find out that I might have to pay to get the full experience has somewhat ruined the immersion of it for me. i support the cash shop, but not for things like this.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I should have done emphasis in the "i don`t mine data myself cause there is 2304982409823 databases arround". I guess that`s what this topic is all about now.

[Themis]

I should have done emphasis in the "i don`t mine data myself cause there is 2304982409823 databases arround". I guess that`s what this topic is all about now.

The reason that I replied to that was because there was no other post at the time, and it's about clearing up the facts (even if the information being put forward was initially erroneous).

I've actually deleted my post because it offered nothing useful after two others also pointed out the mistake.

Still, I'd love to see the data on the money direction with regards to XIV. The topic should be about why paying for extra services, whether for vanity or otherwise, isn't a bad thing and the investment of the money made is quite central to that in my opinion.

[DoctorPepper]

I can only agree with the OP, services such as these should not have anything to do with the cash shop, I wasn't aware they announced the wedding service having a premium cash shop option.

Have they said that the premium wedding will actually be different from the normal version? Are you sure that the premium option isn't just a way to avoid paying the gil or whatever else may be required while getting the same service/equipment overall? I missed the memo on weddings so this is a serious question.

[Themis]

I can only agree with the OP, services such as these should not have anything to do with the cash shop, I wasn't aware they announced the wedding service having a premium cash shop option.

Have they said that the premium wedding will actually be different from the normal version? Are you sure that the premium option isn't just a way to avoid paying the gil or whatever else may be required while getting the same service/equipment overall? I missed the memo on weddings so this is a serious question.

It will give you access to additional items like a mount and hairstyles, probably also minions. And I seem to recall something about having a moogle lead the ceremony. Not sure what the actual differences in the tiers are (there's 3 I believe), but we'll know that soon enough.

The experience will be somewhat different depending on the service requested. Just like how a real wedding/ceremony tends to have more bells and whistles if you actually pay for it.

[Sho86]

I can only agree with the OP, services such as these should not have anything to do with the cash shop, I wasn't aware they announced the wedding service having a premium cash shop option.

Have they said that the premium wedding will actually be different from the normal version? Are you sure that the premium option isn't just a way to avoid paying the gil or whatever else may be required while getting the same service/equipment overall? I missed the memo on weddings so this is a serious question.

Any extras will be the paid only. Different look, chocobo 2 seater etc. I don't remember exact details but yeah, there is difference.