ING2 vs INN

[RiceisNice]

I would have thought this was common sense and implied if you bothered to read the entire post but i'll add it in anyways.

Innovation is only good when you don't have any stacks of IQ and losses effectiveness as your control increases when compared to an ING 2 proc because ING 2 scales off of you current control while Innovation only scales off of your base control.

Unless there was a patch to readjust the level penalty, ING 2 should not change how much quality you get in 3 star and 4 star but i haven't done a 4 star in a while so i'll check and confirm your proposed stats.

ING does increase quality by a bit, since apparently quality increases are also influenced by level difference. How much it actually increases is a different story, and whether or not does it justify the 32 CP cost.

[StouterTaru]

Some numbers for BB, 407 control, first number is IQ count, some numbers may be off by 1 due to calculations after Good condition/Great Strides:

3*	base	INN	INGII	INN+INGII
08	717	869	813	985
09	842	1008	955	1143
10	978	1159	1108	1314
11	1125	1321	1275	1497

4*	base	INN	INGII	INN+INGII
08	 	866	763	924
09	840	1005	 	 
10	975	1156	1040	 
11	1122

[giantslayer]

I usually go for innovation because it is cheaper. Honestly, what is even better than ING2 is to stretch your craft out longer and get more touches. One more successful touch will net you more benefit than either of those skills will. I used to try to save enough cp out to do ing2 and inn. Now I make sure I have enough for gs, bb, and sh, and will take chances purchasing durability for more touches. If I get some good conditions and have enough for inn and ing2, great. If not, I'm better off finishing at 10 stacks without them than at 8 stacks with them.

[Giantbane]

Some numbers for BB, 407 control, first number is IQ count, some numbers may be off by 1 due to calculations after Good condition/Great Strides:

*table*

So Innovation is indeed better in all cases for 3* and 4* crafting. Good to know