Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[SolarMisae]

why are we nerfing ninja

why

[Kingkie]

why are we nerfing ninja

why

Because people who mostly don't even play ninjas are complaining that they're too overpowered.
The TP adjustment is fair, but the damage adjustment is unnecessary imo.

[Zamii]

why are we nerfing ninja

why

step 1, release new class
step 2, people see high potency numbers
step 3, people call for nerf before leveling and trying the class themselves
step 4, get more people to complain
step 5, get even more people to complain
step 6, nerf new class
step 7, new class becomes unused in end game
step 8, people realize they made a mistake
step 9, undo nerfs to new class.

think that about sums it all up.

[SakiKojiro]

People defending ninja are blatantly wrong. I have a monk and Ninja at the exact same item level, and I main the monk. I hadn't played the Ninja in over a week, so my rotation was rusty. We compared the damages, the ninja was higher by like 30 dps, even with a rusty rotation.

You don't see a problem with that?

This having been said, I love ninja, and wish they would have nerfed them in a smart way that kept them fun. Like, Remove Huton so ninjas no longer get the speed buff, but then change the mudra combo to do something flashier and cooler. I always thought it weird that all of the 3-mudra combos are fairly lack-luster. You'd figure one would be a big crazy burst? I guess one of them kind of counts because it lets you backstab without stealth...

[Leonus]

People defending ninja are blatantly wrong. I have a monk and Ninja at the exact same item level, and I main the monk. I hadn't played the Ninja in over a week, so my rotation was rusty. We compared the damages, the ninja was higher by like 30 dps, even with a rusty rotation.

You don't see a problem with that?

This having been said, I love ninja, and wish they would have nerfed them in a smart way that kept them fun. Like, Remove Huton so ninjas no longer get the speed buff, but then change the mudra combo to do something flashier and cooler. I always thought it weird that all of the 3-mudra combos are fairly lack-luster. You'd figure one would be a big crazy burst? I guess one of them kind of counts because it lets you backstab without stealth...

I think your mnk is the problem, not your nin.

Why? It is because mnk still beats nin in ST damage. The gap is not anywhere close to as big as the mnk/drg gap, but it is still there. I still don't see why people think mnk should be the top ST damage king. I hope a dps class comes along at some point and dethrones mnk.

[Odowla]

I think your mnk is the problem, not your nin.

Why? It is because mnk still beats nin in ST damage. The gap is not anywhere close to as big as the mnk/drg gap, but it is still there. I still don't see why people think mnk should be the top ST damage king. I hope a dps class comes along at some point and dethrones mnk.

Because SE wants MNK to be the ST Damage King.

That being said, yeah, his MNK is definetly the problem. My Ninja never won over my MNK in the same ilevel.