DRG has been broken for far too long. Fix it SE

[LordMaitreya]

Their heart is in the right place but any buff to skills that can be cross classed would be considered unacceptable conduct on SE's part.

[Daweism]

The positionals I am also 50/50 on, for one you should reward skilled play but not punish random rng boss turns. Monk system is a good example of this, u don't lose the combo if u miss the positional but u do miss the extra potency, Drg should be this way.

[hallena]

If dragoon is to have no group utility then it needs to be the dps king. You simply cannot have a job that does less damage, takes more damage and offers nothing to the group.

Then i guess black mage should be up there with dragoon

[Houston009]

Apocatastasis, Eye for an Eye, and Virus

[hallena]

Apocatastasis, Eye for an Eye, and Virus

An actual stun and increasing bard's damage by 10% permanently. a most likely incoming magic defence buff aswell as having more hp overall.
The grass is always greener on the other side
Lets not mention BLM's dps being lowered when any sort of movement is involved.
As for virus. It's funny you even mention it because your raid will hate you if you even think about using it over your smn/sch friends

If the argument is the less utility the more dps then there's no reason ninja and monk should deal more damage than dragoon and blm

[Houston009]

So if a BLM viruses adds like let's say Bennu in t12, smn/sch will be pissed?

[saber_alter]

Then i guess black mage should be up there with dragoon

for AOE capablity, blm is king.

for anything capability, drg is a wet noodle with less magic-based survivability than a crafter.

[hallena]

I'm not saying dragoon shouldn't get a buff but don't even bother saying less utility = more damage or else the argument about blm should be "i should get a damage buff because when i move my dps goes to shit so i should deal more damage than everyone else when i don't move"
or
"i should outdps monk because they bring more utility than me aswell as being more mobile"

A stun and 10% damage increase to bard is group utility whenever you like it or not. The original argument i quoted was less utility = more dps, Somehow this turned into dragoon vs Blm utility yet my point was if blm has less utility than monk then why should the less utility = more damage argument only apply to dragoon when several classes have less utility than monks

[Cyfer]

An actual stun and increasing bard's damage by 10% permanently. a most likely incoming magic defence buff aswell as having more hp overall.

Lets not mention BLM's dps being lowered when any sort of movement is involved.
As for virus. It's funny you even mention it because your raid will hate you if you even think about using it over your smn/sch friends

If the argument is the less utility the more dps then there's no reason ninja and monk should deal more damage than dragoon and blm

Disembowel does not increase bard overall damage by 10% (does not buff DoT). Stun is basically useless for DRG in end game content, we use Leg Sweep and Spineshatter Dive for the slight dps increase/gap closer rather than using them for stun.
BLM dps is lower when any sort of movement is involved, but didn't SE buff BLM for this issue? Bear in mind that most class will also lose some dps when any sort of movement is involve (excluding bard).
As for virus, I don't see any issue of BLM virus, you could rotate BLM virus and smn/sch virus without having issue of antibody. My raid has 2 BLM and 1 SCH, they rotate their virus and we have never encounter any so called being hated by smn/sch friends.

Currently, they are comparing DRG with NIN and MNK. As the argument is why bother bringing a DRG as melee when they deal lesser dps, prone to dying from m.atk and having lesser utility compared to bringing NIN and MNK. Mentioning BLM might be an off topic issue.

Off Topic : BLM have Apoc, Virus, Manawall, Manaward, Eye for an eye and possessing high DPS on AoE attack

[Eidolon]

Off Topic : BLM have Apoc, Virus, Manawall, Manaward, Eye for an eye and possessing high DPS on AoE attack

and don't forget; BLM technically has infinite damage potential in terms of being able to continue dealing damage. Their resource - mana - is infinite, due to the ways in which Umbral Ice / Astral Fire work. A dragoon attacking 100% uptime will need assistance from other party members - black mage just benefits from them to increase their damage further (Foe's Requiem, Dragon Kick)

But yes; Apoc, Virus [Situational], Eye for an Eye are all rather impressive raid-utility tools. Still, I'd like to see Apoc be either AoE or have a bit more of an impressive effect. It's almost as underwhealming as DRG's disembowel is. <.<