Tesudo, SE inadvertently admitting the tank LB is worthless?

[Lusavari]

Well... You also might argue that it's a PVP ability, and can't be used outside of PVP. In Front Lines, you'll never see more than a 2 bar limit break, and because killing everyone at an out-post or 1-shotting a healer is infinitely more useful than a healer or tank LB in there, it's not exactly over powered to give Paladin a superior action. If you look at the PVP actions, a LOT of them would be insanely useful and powerful outside of PVP like Skewer and it's -40% Int reduction, or Impulse Rush waiving flank requirements or Axe Kick granting instant 3 Stacks of GL or 50% Instant MP restoration from Manadraw or +25% HP and healing from Thrill of War as an AoE version of Thrill of Battle. A PVP action isn't really something to think too hard on. These are actions meant to grant an edge in battles against other players by effectively neutering their powers compared to yours for a short period.

The tank LB is meant to be the most situational of all four, and can allow a group at minimum gear levels to go beyond high damage unavoidable signature moves like Aetheric Boom or Terraflare that require the highest gear levels to otherwise survive. Tank LBs are meant to PROTECT. You PROTECT people when the odds are stacked against you. That means Tank LBs are most useful when content is first released, and its usefulness becomes mitigated in early content as people become stronger, and gain CONTROL of the battles. However... There are methods of always keeping a tank LB useful like item level caps, which effectively prevents overgearing.

[Kyros]

What tat nerve cloud only need virus + DK + SP + SS, such nub peeps!

Actually this is the bad way of doing it. Tank LB2 is far superior than having your WHM waste 2600 MP on stoneskin. It's not like you need DPS LB on T11 to get pass anything anyways; its DPS requirements are pretty lax.

Also, I have used Tank LB3 to save us from an accidental mine-on-allagan-field during T8. And uh, we used Healer LB3 to win a Shiva once, I guess.

[Radacci]

Actually this is the bad way of doing it. Tank LB2 is far superior than having your WHM waste 2600 MP on stoneskin. It's not like you need DPS LB on T11 to get pass anything anyways; its DPS requirements are pretty lax.

Also, I have used Tank LB3 to save us from an accidental mine-on-allagan-field during T8. And uh, we used Healer LB3 to win a Shiva once, I guess.

well you know, you must do it the pro way, or quit the game. tank/healer LB are obviously not meant to be used...cause pro ppl say so.

[Sleigh]

Actually this is the bad way of doing it. Tank LB2 is far superior than having your WHM waste 2600 MP on stoneskin. It's not like you need DPS LB on T11 to get pass anything anyways; its DPS requirements are pretty lax.

Also, I have used Tank LB3 to save us from an accidental mine-on-allagan-field during T8. And uh, we used Healer LB3 to win a Shiva once, I guess.

He didn't mean Stoneskin, he meant Sacred Soil.

No, using tank LB in T11 is a terrible idea (if you have a MNK). Huge waste of DPS. No one would trade a Virus and Aetherflow stack for a 2 bars of LB.

[Shneibel]

tank lb, what is it again ? tank have lb ?

[Fyce]

At least the tank LB3 looks super cool...
Besides, there's one use that wasn't mentionned: after a wipe, you often have a LB2 to use just before starting the battle again.
It's not a really big deal in most cases, but it's still nice to have.

[Ehayte]

I think the main point is that it would be awesome if they buffed the Tank and Healer LBs to make them actually matter in some kind of content. Tank and Healer LB1s are so laughably weak that the only time you would ever use them at level 50 would be to troll your friends.

Something liiiike:

Heal1 - Party-wide 1/2 potency regen on party (stacks with other regens) - Healing Gust
Heal2 - Party wide full potency regen on party (stacks with other regens) - Healing Wind
Heal3 - Party-wide immunity to Magic Damage for 5 seconds - Lunatic High

Tank1 - 30 second 15% buff to mDefense for entire party - Shellaga
Tank2 - 30 second 15% buff to pDefense and mDefense for party - Wall
Tank3 - 5 second immunity to physical damage for party - Shield All

At least the tank LB3 looks super cool...
Besides, there's one use that wasn't mentionned: after a wipe, you often have a LB2 to use just before starting the battle again.
It's not a really big deal in most cases, but it's still nice to have.

In which case the best option is usually to use the Caster DPS LB

[HakuroDK]

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Here's the problem, though. You're talking about wasting a full 3-bar Limit Break--a limit break meter that the whole party shares, mind you--for something that only lasts for five seconds. If it lasted 60 or even 30 seconds, it would be much more lucrative to use and be more on-par with things like DPS LBs. Because think about it. What would you rather use, realistically, in a boss fight: Last Bastion (50% damage reduction for 12 seconds) or Final Heaven (Inflict damage with a potency of 9000 to one enemy)? Pretty sure most people would go with the one that actually has a permanent lasting effect on the fight than the one that only lasts for 12 seconds in a fight that usually lasts anywhere between 12 and 20 minutes.

Also, Healer's LB3 is fine as-is. Mass Revive is a beautiful thing. It's just LB1 and LB2 that need reworking. Also, an option to use LB1 and LB2 when LB2 and LB3 are active, respectively, would be fantastic.

[Ehayte]

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You are correct, 5 seconds is too short, however I have run out of motivation to continue to discuss this. lol.

BUT I will say that mass revive is total garbage because if you need to use it you are going to be unrecoverable anyways because it likely means your tank is dead and the boss is going to wreck everybody before anything can get accomplished. It would be an exceptional circumstance where healer LB3 was useful.

I'm more talking about making a healer or tank LB3 as trialing a part of the major raid battles as the DPS limit breaks are currently. Of course, there is something to be said for making melee or caster dps desirable in certain fights, as healers and tanks are already required.

[HakuroDK]

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I know people who have won after a Healer's LB3 saved the party from a wipe. Don't be dissing Pulse of Life. It's a really really good LB3 in a pinch! I mean, admittedly, there should be no weakness after use, but that's the only drawback.