Up Poetics Cap to 600.

[DoctorPepper]

And you don't need ilvl 120 to play every job on a single character.

The ONLY reason you need over 110 for anything is final coil. In which case you don't need to fully poetic your class because you will get some slots from FCoB.

I agree with that but it's sure nice to gear up with the new gear that just came out rather than continue using the outdated gear from 6 months ago, I'm not saying that it's required, I'm just saying it would be a nice change. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm asking for a QoL change here, not a change that is needed for the game to continue working.

It also takes a lot less effort to gear up a job in i110 as well so after a couple months when alts are geared up, people will start logging out for the week after they cap their poetics. Obviously, that's not the case for everybody, but I've actually had friend quit the game in the past because they had nothing to do after capping their soldiery.

I think people would be a lot more likely to login and play if they had an opportunity to spend the whole week working on relevant gear and I've yet to see anybody come up with a valid argument against it other than "the change is not needed".

[polyhedral]

How dare arcanists gear up both smn and sch at the same time.

[Coatl]

Let's just uncap poetics, all the same right? i120 for every class!

[Tiggy]

I've yet to see anybody come up with a valid argument against it other than "the change is not needed".

I do believe mine was valid, but I guess this means you don't care about my reason. Over the last year I've heard dozens of conversations from people on sunday and monday from people trying to cap so that they don't fall behind. These are even people who don't raid. Putting a cap on it for many people is the same as saying "you need to do at least this much this week."

[Izsha]

You clearly didn't even do the math, a change to 600 would only allow you to gear up 3 jobs in 6 months bud, not even close to 5 jobs in 2 weeks. Nobody is asking for a change to the whole system, just a little more leeway to enjoy the game a little more. Please read the thread, or if you already have then read it again, because you clearly missed the entire point.

Its called exaggeration. The math doesn't make sense to the complaint anyway. The complaint is that we can't play multiple jobs so up the tomes. As you just pointed out that doesn't even fix the perceived problem. So I responded to the complaint that you can't play all jobs. I was pointing out that you can in all but 3 fights. The math just points out how silly this all is.

"I can't play all the jobs"
"You can in all but 3 fights"
"600 only let's you gear 3 max"
"So how would this solve the initial problem again? It doesnt"

The solution doesn't even fix the perceived problem. Perhaps I'm not the only one that needs to reread the thread. I'm just pointing out that the perceived problem isn't even a problem. (Hence my previous exaggeration). The fact that the proposed solution doesn't fix it, even if it was an issue, just puts the absurd icing on the cake.

[DoctorPepper]

I do believe mine was valid, but I guess this means you don't care about my reason.

First of all, I typed that before you edited the post that previously said "Placeholder" so drop the defensive balony, I'm not here to attack you despite what you may want to believe.

I understand what you're saying about your feelings, I just feel that if you getting 450 tomes a week is good enough now that it will stay good enough later, at worst you'd be behind on a couple accessories and that is it. I think your raid group will understand when you tell them that due to real life circumstances, you were unable to get an extra 150 tomes every single week.

At the end of the day, it would only help your raid group because I'm sure there would be slow weeks where your schedule allows you to get those extra tomes.

[Tiggy]

First of all, I typed that before you edited the post that previously said "Placeholder" so drop the defensive balony, I'm not here to attack you despite what you may want to believe.

I understand what you're saying about your feelings, I just feel that if you getting 450 tomes a week is good enough now that it will stay good enough later, at worst you'd be behind on a couple accessories and that is it.

Dude I didn't see the edit times since I don't normally feel like I need to confirm that info. So as far as I saw you ignored my reason. I never even acted like you attacked me. I acted like you ignored me. It was hardly a defensive response nor did I act like you attacked me. Simmer down man. Besides I edit my post in a text file, make the placeholder post, and instantly edit the post from the text file. You literally saw the maybe 10 seconds where it actually said placeholder.

I just feel that if you getting 450 tomes a week is good enough now that it will stay good enough later, at worst you'd be behind on a couple accessories and that is it. I think your raid group will understand when you tell them that due to real life circumstances, you were unable to get an extra 150 tomes every single week.

At the end of the day, it would only help your raid group because I'm sure there would be slow weeks where your schedule allows you to get those extra tomes.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what raid groups do and don't expect from people. It also feels like you didn't really read my entire reasoning if you really think that excuse would fly. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think is enough points in a week. What matters is that character screen shows an uncapped amount at the end of the week and the other 7 people didn't. It wasn't even about their opinion so much as it was self imposed as I even admitted. You're defense literally failed it acknowledge that core part of my point. I feel bad because I didn't cap because I feel obligated to cap because I made a commitment. If you think I'm the only person who thinks this way then you are sorely mistaken.

[raelgun]

I've yet to see anybody come up with a valid argument against it other than "the change is not needed".

then read the posts more carefully then what you hope it means in your head.

[DoctorPepper]

Its called exaggeration. The math doesn't make sense to the complaint anyway.

How does the math not make sense in regards to the complaint? As far as I'm concerned the complaint is that the cap is a little too low to gear out multiple jobs in Poetics Gear in the 6 month time period we get before new gear comes out. My argument does not ever say you cannot get older gear for your jobs, in fact I've gone out of my way to agree that it is a feasible option but in a couple months when people have full i110 on their alts, what are they supposed to do after capping poetics? Twiddle their thumbs?

[DoctorPepper]

Dude I didn't see the edit times since I don't normally feel like I need to confirm that info. So as far as I saw you ignored my reason. I never even acted like you attacked me. I acted like you ignored me. It was hardly a defensive response nor did I act like you attacked me. Simmer down man. Besides I edit my post in a text file, make the placeholder post, and instantly edit the post from the text file. You literally saw the maybe 10 seconds where it actually said placeholder.

I think we can both agree that there is no reason to argue over this misunderstanding on both sides. I seriously only saw the post saying placeholder, you seriously thought I had read your post, simple as that.

I see your points clearly, I read your post entirely, some of them I agree with and some of them I don't but it seems like a matter of opinion rather than debate at this point. Personally it doesn't give me anxiety to see uncapped tomes but I can understand that it might for some people.