Defensive cooldowns for marginal DPS gain anyone?

[RiceisNice]

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Perfect dodge is still on the same level as BLM defensive cooldowns because it practically lets you bypass a physical hit or even mechanic, landslides and divebombs for example.

In regards to the thread, its really what the environment you're in that should matter. I typically do not eat garuda's shrieks, but I'm a bard so I don't lose out on damage anyway. The DRGs that usually do eat the shrieks usually end up dying to the next wicked wheel because the healer didn't top them off in time. Which comes to the fun part...was the DRG at fault for dying by willingly taking unneeded damage, or was it the healer's fault for not catching it?

[Dotsusama]

Monk in my opinion are very Overpowered in survival stuff...They can use a lot of defensive traits, they can use the always awesome-savior skill Mantra and even after mantra you can cast a powered up second wind + criticals to obtain a mega-critical heal. You can use mega-evasion, parry, foresight, bloodbath..

If those defensive cooldowns are equipped in cross-class slots instead of offensive abilities, it is a net DPS loss. Plain and simple.

[Altijacek]

If those defensive cooldowns are equipped in cross-class slots instead of offensive abilities, it is a net DPS loss. Plain and simple.

As a monk I have mercy stroke, fracture, invigorate, blood for blood. The last one can either be foresight, keen flurry, impulse drive, or bloodbath. While impulse drive might be a MINOR DPS increase if you don't have anything that needs refreshing but fracture does this better (at more TP). So basically bloodbath makes the best defensive cooldown since the others are pretty lame and it lets you eat an attack and heal yourself over time with a second wind.

[Stumpedify]

"Good" Black Mages can only utilize Physick and Virus and "Eye for an Eye." Nothing else can be used to counter-act damage from wicked wheel, etc. Due to our limited amount of additional class skills we can choose from.

I think perhaps an oversight here. I believe when the OP is talking about BLM doing this, he is referring to your two barriers, one that blocks magical damage and the other that blocks physical. I think a "Good" black mage would have considered that before even mentioning cross class abilities... :P

[Altijacek]

I think perhaps an oversight here. I believe when the OP is talking about BLM doing this, he is referring to your two barriers, one that blocks magical damage and the other that blocks physical. I think a "Good" black mage would have considered that before even mentioning cross class abilities... :P

Stumpedify you are exactly right :P I was referring to manawall and manaward

[Adrian74]

Why would a monk need fracture for example? I have invigorate keen flurry foresight bloodbath and mercy stroke...Depending of dungeon or trial I change keen flurry for blood for blood, or mercy stroke. (Useless in trials)

[Izsha]

People already do this in different capacities. Mnk leaving thermo stack to keep up GL. A war using eye instead of path while tanking. A blm using wall to dps snakes through dive bombs. A nin using PD to dps through a circle aoe.

More extreme cases are a result of severely out gearing content. A nexus light group in Garuda hm dpsing instead of hiding behind rocks. Ignoring the red tether add in Garuda to kill garuda and eating all the add damage and determination buff. Not feeding slime to remove snake stacks in t1. Etc.

This stuff happens all the time, but is really only possible if your team is very skilled on hard content, or over gears the content to some degree. No way was I ignoring path on t9 as war. Now with echo I can etc.

[Lord_Zlatan]

on some content like dungeons and in ST i usually just eat stuff on DRG with Foresight, Secondwind, Blood Bath, and lifesurge. End game its just not possible on some classes.

[Altijacek]

Why would a monk need fracture for example? I have invigorate keen flurry foresight bloodbath and mercy stroke...Depending of dungeon or trial I change keen flurry for blood for blood, or mercy stroke. (Useless in trials)

Why don't you always have blood for blood? As a monk you need it if you want to achieve your max DPS. There is literally no argument against not having it. And fracture is entirely optional. But if used correctly, it can be a tiny DPS boost, at the cost of TP loss, unless you're just THAT good. Fracture also helps with bosses who jump.

[RakaMaimhov]

In some situations it's better for me to just anchor myself in an AOE as DRG, pop defensive cooldowns, and aoe my little heart out, using bloodbath and second wind to help keep my hp up. Yes I've noticed an increase in damage output from this. Obviously doesn't work for magic damage, though.