Defensive cooldowns for marginal DPS gain anyone?

[Altijacek]

This is an idea, that is most likely wrong. Before you flame me, please note this is purely theoretical and experimental, and for those who gamble and don't mind doing so with groups of friends, as you need trusted teammates to do such a thing. By the way, good black mages already do something similar to this.

Here goes: as a melee DPS, there are fights where we might take damage from a circular AoE. Sometimes this damage is too large (wicked wheel, circular blade, iron chariot, etc). Technically, wouldn't it be a DPS increase to just eat the damage and keep dpsing? YES I KNOW THIS IS A STRAIN ON HEALERS AND RARELY WORTH IT but...

What if you told your healers not to heal you and popped bloodbath and second wind after, or keen flurry/featherfoot to potentially reduce damage or proc a haymaker (actually a DPS increase if there is nothing to refresh)? In this way, you are using your defensive cooldowns to keep the DPS up, and this is actually awesome for monks maintaining stacks or dragoons landing positionals, or ninjas maybe get a sneak/trick attack (I've seen them use perfect dodge in this way).

I'm just curious to know if anyone does stuff like this and communicates with their healers to let them know not to worry. It's a DPS gain and there really isn't much to lose if you know your limits.

[coldreactive]

"Good" Black Mages can only utilize Physick and Virus and "Eye for an Eye." Nothing else can be used to counter-act damage from wicked wheel, etc. Due to our limited amount of additional class skills we can choose from.




I'm actually really weirded out that Bard can have Provoke.

[Exstal]

In general, DPSer's defensive cooldowns are too weak to allow them to just eat things to continue DPSing. Some do have good CDs, BLM and NIN to name.

So it's generally ill-advised to take unnecessary damage when your defensive CDs aren't 100% chance to do X action avoiding Y damage.

[ElieDavion]

we also can use apocastasis and eye for an eye (wich i admit i use mostly on the tank or the one who most needs it)

[coldreactive]

we also can use apocastasis and eye for an eye (wich i admit i use mostly on the tank or the one who most needs it)

Apoca isn't worth it unless you know what enemies cast magic damage and can't be used on yourself sadly:

[Dotsusama]

I'm actually really weirded out that Bard can have Provoke.

Bard can't. Paladin and Warrior are the only two Jobs that can equip it, even if several Classes could.

[ElieDavion]

Apoca isn't worth it unless you know what enemies cast magic damage and can't be used on yourself sadly:

isnt it obvious wich is a magical attack and wich isnt? besides we have 2 barriers for ourselfes to protect us from physical and magical dmg

[coldreactive]

Bard can't. Paladin and Warrior are the only two Jobs that can equip it, even if several Classes could.

Really. We did a Garuda EX Run with one tank and a bard that tanked the other sister and somehow kept aggro.

[Dotsusama]

Really. We did a Garuda EX Run with one tank and a bard that tanked the other sister and somehow kept aggro.

Without Quelling Strikes, and with all their cooldowns, Bards can dish out a LOT of damage all in a short span of time. So, if they were waiting for the sister to pop and had abilities ready to go, they wouldn't have needed cooldowns.

[Taliph]

Really. We did a Garuda EX Run with one tank and a bard that tanked the other sister and somehow kept aggro.

It's called burst damage.