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    Here's what's actually happening.

    Generally, when XIV goes down, the problem isn't on their end.

    RIP the Internet.


    Edit: Since I guess most people don't understand, here's a simple explanation.

    Q: That doesn't explain anything! My ISP is-
    Quote Originally Posted by Arioche View Post
    That's not how the internet works; AT&T doesn't make a direct connection straight to their servers. AT&T has to pass through Level3, which likes to have network problems.
    But-
    Quote Originally Posted by Squintina View Post
    That's not what it means. Here's the bulk of it (it's not 100% accurate but I don't want to write a whole essay so this is just the gist of it)

    Your provider might be AT&T but "their" network is not just made up of AT&T hops.
    Networks do end up using other network's hops as well; specially hops from backbone providers (basically they're service providers for your service provider to help with traffic load).
    Level3 is commonly used backbone provider by a variety of networks to send data because they have agreements between each other to use them.


    If the servers owned by SE have a lot of Level 3 hops around, such that even other providers end up going through them a lot, this can happen. Because backbone providers are used by a lot of other networks (including but not limited to AT&T), it ends up doing mass DC's for people across different providers. If there aren't really any other hops available (hops from other providers), then everyone guess mass DCd. If there are a few others, then once a provider finds a new route using those other hops, the people whose networks can access to other hops can come back on - but it may not be everyone. If someone belongs to a network that didn't use level 3, or didn't have it as its "best" route, then those people wouldn't get DC'd at all.
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    Last edited by Velthice; 11-19-2014 at 03:33 PM.

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    That doesn't explain mine... AT&T had zero according to that.
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    This. There's no "server stability issues" or anything on SE's end. The last few outages have been due to Level3, so go thank them.
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    Basically SE is getting DDOSed, has nothing to do with the servers being unstable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshura View Post
    That doesn't explain mine... AT&T had zero according to that.
    That's not how the internet works; AT&T doesn't make a direct connection straight to their servers. AT&T has to pass through Level3, which likes to have network problems.
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    It's level3 currently I am getting over 50% loss. Unless they move the servers out of Canada this is going to keep happening cause the traffic goes over level3.
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    This time it's not due to the server. I'm connected to the game via a VPN right now, and while everyone else in my FC is DCing out, I'm still here.

    I am, however, watching an enormous lag spike and a ton of lost packets on my WTFast graph right now on the internet side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshura View Post
    That doesn't explain mine... AT&T had zero according to that.
    That's not what it means. Here's the bulk of it (it's not 100% accurate but I don't want to write a whole essay so this is just the gist of it)

    Your provider might be AT&T but "their" network is not just made up of AT&T hops.
    Networks do end up using other network's hops as well; specially hops from backbone providers (basically they're service providers for your service provider to help with traffic load).
    Level3 is commonly used backbone provider by a variety of networks to send data because they have agreements between each other to use them.


    If the servers owned by SE have a lot of Level 3 hops around, such that even other providers end up going through them a lot, this can happen. Because backbone providers are used by a lot of other networks (including but not limited to AT&T), it ends up doing mass DC's for people across different providers. If there aren't really any other hops available (hops from other providers), then everyone guess mass DCd. If there are a few others, then once a provider finds a new route using those other hops, the people whose networks can access to other hops can come back on - but it may not be everyone. If someone belongs to a network that didn't use level 3, or didn't have it as its "best" route, then those people wouldn't get DC'd at all.
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    My Cell is At&T but my internet is Clear Wireless and I never lag, so somethings going on.. like DDOS'd, those folks been attacking everything lately, not just MMO's, but fan sites or whatever suits their fancy.
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    "Nose to the wind, I go."

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    You guys are adorable.
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