I just beat T5!

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I am frustrated by the lack of empathy and support for the new and newer players. I am not angry at raiders, unless they are busy putting down other players and saying crap like "not the world's first". I am happy they are clearing T12. There is nothing wrong with that.

The fact you are frustrated is abundantly clear. Point is, there is a lack of empaty for YOU, and all those players who feel entitled to be handcarried through content. Legitimate new players, who try hard to learn and progress, are usually welcome.

[NyarukoW]

...Point is, there is a lack of empaty for YOU, and all those players who feel entitled to be handcarried through content.....

It is not about me. And once again the insults fly about people being "handcarried". That is such a distortion of the facts, the vast majority of the players just want an opportunity to learn and progress, but they are NOT welcome. Look on the PF, how many learning parties are there vs how many "no newbies wanted", " must have clear", etc.etc. PFs are there. The facts don't lie.

[Shioban]

babble

I was going to respond to all this, but just consult this post for advice;

I knew something was fishy about this thread. A seemingly harmless thread about someone clearing turn 5 that had 5 pages worth of responses.

Well OP, congrats on your clear. This thread turned sour so don't be surprised if it gets locked up or deleted. People seem to find it hard that not everyone share their same state of mind.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

stuff

You are most likely a troll, but currently I have some spare time so I will answer to you.

First of all, please remember that EVERYONE is free to start up their own PF group. If new players are interested in learning fights with other new players, they are completely free to put up as many learning parties as required. Same goes for experienced people - if they want to farm content (thus requiring experienced people), they are free to put up as much PF entries as required.

The fact that there are less "learning parties" than "farm parties" means that, apparently, there are less "new players" than "experienced players". That's all.

[Senfei]

Sorry your thread turn into this. Grats on your T5 Clear its pretty tough.

[NyarukoW]

...The fact that there are less "learning parties" than "farm parties" means that, apparently, there are less "new players" than "experienced players". ....

You really want everyone to believe that? Clearing T5 is big deal because even now, not the majority of players have cleared T5, and there are even less players that clear Ramuh EX or Shiva EX, or T6 and up. The evidence is overwhelming that there are far more new/newer players than experienced players. Fact of the matter is the one lone learning PF can go unfilled for hours on end, because there is just not enough people that care to help. I've tried to help, and I've sat in those PFs and wait and see nothing happen until the time PF timer expires. Yet I see clear sellers on the same PF, and all sorts of PFs that says "no newbies wanted".

[Remilia_Nightfall]

You really want everyone to believe that? Clearing T5 is big deal because even now, not the majority of players have cleared T5, and there are even less players that clear Ramuh EX or Shiva EX, or T6 and up. The evidence is overwhelming that there are far more new/newer players than experienced players. Fact of the matter is the one lone learning PF can go unfilled for hours on end, because there is just not enough people that care to help. I've tried to help, and I've sat in those PFs and wait and see nothing happen until the time PF timer expires. Yet I see clear sellers on the same PF, and all sorts of PFs that says "no newbies wanted".

And pray tell, why are those "learning" parties not starting? If there are so many players willing to sweat and learn the hard way, why they go unfilled? Can you answer me this?

[ChriZirhC]

And pray tell, why are those "learning" parties not starting? If there are so many players willing to sweat and learn the hard way, why they go unfilled? Can you answer me this?

because there are a lot of newer players that get carried by their FCs and linkshells that dont go through these learning parties. I know this because I used to carry FC members when they were new.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

because there are a lot of newer players that get carried by their FCs and linkshells that dont go through these learning parties. I know this because I used to carry FC members when they were new.

Precisely. There are a lot of people getting carried, because that's a lot easier.
So, apparently, there are also A LOT of experienced players "helping" those new players, in a way or another, despite what our little troll states.

[Noshpan]

And I got a nice piece of glamour gear for my NIN to show for it.

Of course, now will lie the true challenge. The Second Coil of Bahamut.

Congratulations. Maybe someday I'll get to do T5. *continues to dream*