Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 51

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Seif's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    2,706
    Character
    Seif Dincht
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 72

    Will player level be > ilvl?

    What I mean is that when heavensward lands/ takes off the player lvl will raise.

    Will for example lvl 60 player be able to ignore all the item level progression at 50 and just skip along to gear where lvl 60 is the requirement?

    How do you think that will work?
    (0)

  2. #2
    Player
    kyuven's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Ul'Dah
    Posts
    2,130
    Character
    Chen Kotomi
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    I get the distinct impression they're going to either:
    1) rework the way current iLevels work.
    2) Just keep adding onto it, so that level 60 endgame gear is about iLevel 200 or so.

    Yes, ideally a lvl 60 will be able to skip lvl 50 progression in theory, though they'll still likely have to actual do the HM content to get the 3.0 story stuff. the EX and Coil content will be optional.
    But this is mostly conjecture based on past experience with how MMO developers handle expanding level caps.
    (1)

  3. #3
    Player
    BlaiseArath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    452
    Character
    Blaise Destin
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 60
    I imagine the current gear will remain as it is (Level 50 to equip, up to I.lv 130/135 or whatever), and all the new Item level gear will only be equable by level 60 players, but follow the same general progression of +5/+10 we're doing now.
    (0)

  4. #4
    Player
    Warlyx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    3,065
    Character
    Warlyx Arada
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    What I mean is that when heavensward lands/ takes off the player lvl will raise.

    Will for example lvl 60 player be able to ignore all the item level progression at 50 and just skip along to gear where lvl 60 is the requirement?

    How do you think that will work?
    same as 1-49 now....but 1-59 , or do u run low lvl instances until u get max ilvl sets , then keep leveling?

    the only dungeons u are going to be "forced" are primals in hard mode because main story ask for it (same as normal primals while leveling)
    (0)

  5. #5
    Player
    Zumi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    4,965
    Character
    Zumi Kasumi
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    They will do something like this. Making these numbers up but it will prob be similar.

    Item level 130-135 will be the last lv50 gear.
    As you level through job levels 51-60 there will be some throw away leveling gear that are like item level 136-160.
    When you get to level 60, you will grind new max level dungeons for the un-limited tome gear which will be ilvl 180, with a capped tome that lets you buy ilvl 190 gear.
    Once you in full ilvl 180 you will be good to start the next raid that drops ilvl 200.

    This is what most post wow mmos do when they come out with an expansion.
    (0)
    Last edited by Zumi; 11-13-2014 at 04:56 PM.

  6. #6
    Player
    kyuven's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Ul'Dah
    Posts
    2,130
    Character
    Chen Kotomi
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    This is what most post wow mmos do when they come out with an expansion.
    Conversely they could make the gear we get outside dungeons from 51-60 be iLevel 51-65, like it is now, but suddenly have the gear at 60 spike up in iLevel, rewarding players who actually got the stronger gear before the expansion by making their lives from 51-60 a bit more tolerable. We don't really know the real power disparity between a 50 and 60 character at this time, so it's anyone's guess.
    (0)

  7. #7
    Player
    Sylve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,679
    Character
    Lyote Sharaia
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    This is what most post wow mmos do when they come out with an expansion.
    A better way to work it would be for the Main Story to award some i80 loot, the initial 3.0 quests to also give i80 stuff, and end with the lowest ilvl being just barely ahead of FCoB loot.
    Such a method would bypass the WoW syndrome where the very first quest reward you get is such a blatant upgrade to the highest possible gear from the previous game that you feel cheated.

    Hell, in WoD, they scaled it back so much that SoO loot will be worth using over quest/dungeon rewards all the way to 95~96 (of the new 100 cap) when stuff starts inching higher in ilvl, but the stat spread wont be as optimal as your existing gear

    The idea of replacing your hard won raiding gear with quest whites is kind f abhorrent.
    (0)

  8. #8
    Player
    Zumi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    4,965
    Character
    Zumi Kasumi
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    The idea of replacing your hard won raiding gear with quest whites is kind f abhorrent.
    Your gear will have to be replaced at some point in the expansion. You won't be using level 50 gear at level 60 cap. It is the nature of an expansion and new level cap. In wow heroic raid gear usually didn't get replaced until like midway through the next level cap. Even in FFXI when they raised the level cap from 75 to 80/85/90/95/99 all that 75 gear became outdated as soon as the cap was raised. Also you got to remember crafters are leveling up to 60 too and they will need to make tons of junk 51-59 gear over and over to get to 60 as well there will be a lot of gear floating around.
    (0)

  9. #9
    Player
    Sylve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,679
    Character
    Lyote Sharaia
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Your gear will have to be replaced at some point in the expansion.
    In Cataclysm, i was replacing gear from Lich King himself by the end of the first quest zone.
    In WoD, That endgame raiding gear is useful for much longer. Around halfway through the leveling process, In some cases, its even good almost up to the new cap.

    I am not opposed to upgrading my gear in an expansion.
    I AM opposed to stepping out of FCOB(for example) with the best gear available in the game, taking the very quest "go here talk to that guy" quest and getting superior gear for doing so. That just feels disgusting.

    A gear reset is fine with an expansion, its useful since it puts everyone back on a level playing field for the new endgame. But, do NOT begin the leveling process with gear that is better than the previously best gear.
    This leads to stat bloat of the WORST variety. Again, WoW had that. WoW was forced to "Squish" the stats in order to bring numbers down to a level that made any kind of sense. They had to do that because every time a new expansion rolled out, they began that expansion ABOVE the finest gear available at the end of the previous expansion.
    We began ARR with i70/i90 gear and in 2.4, we're at i130. If we get i140 in 2.5, we'd be looking at starting endgame 3.0 at ilvl200 and climbing up from there.
    (0)

  10. #10
    Player
    Delily's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    666
    Character
    Delmania Shadowstar
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    I AM opposed to stepping out of FCOB(for example) with the best gear available in the game, taking the very quest "go here talk to that guy" quest and getting superior gear for doing so. That just feels disgusting.
    Why? Gear is only a means to and end, and not the end itself. Once the end progresses, so does the means.
    (1)

Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 ... LastLast

Tags for this Thread