Why is tanking so rough for new players?

[TheMoonflow]

Biggest mistake I made when I switched from playing healer to tank was thinking that I needed to do ANYTHING other than hold threat.
I thought my role was to do some damage and tank mobs, wrong!
No one cared about my dps, they would be just as happy if I just stood there, as long as I spammed flash and kept the mobs on me at all times
I soon learned this and was more comfortable tanking from then on.


I guess it's kinda the same with healer, in that no one really cares about your little aero and stone II every now and then.
As long as the party is alive, that's all that matters.

[Nadrojj]

Low level tanks need to equip new gear each time it's available. Not like a dps who can get away with skipping a round of gear and waiting on the next one. A lot of them stray away from flash, 1,2,3 flash repeat. It's near impossible to lose hate at a low level if you are doing that.

[Wizhard]

Because I did trial roulette on a daily basis, and there was absolutely never a time when both tanks were fresh i50 with an entire party of i110 dps.

Perhaps because you were one of the said tanks?
Now thing is if you know what you are doing and have adequate gear dps will not pull mobs from you. Tomahawk/shield lob generate enough threat for the mob to not peel off you right away even if dps goes as soon as you pull.
But the issue here seems to be low level tanking(pre-full combo) which can be frustrating for the new tanks if the dps go all out.

[fireslash]

if your group uses alot of AoE you need to simply shift targets to see the aggro meter progress , focus on targets with aggro going towrds Dps ,ignore being a Dps for once
i constantly keep hitting multiple targets to reduce aggro toward Dps if not CCed, and healer if inflected Aoe +spam flash till the aggro goes to less than 40%
sometimes flash decreases 20-15% hate toward other member with high damage and at(the ones with icons). you need to accommodate if things goes out of hands if a member got a 100% hate stun(if available) spam flash +other enmity skills till the meter is reduced to less than 90% if this doesn't help , please enter the dungeon with ilv count higher than the dungeon level for more comfortable management of aggro, i have a ilv 75 count and right now trying to get ilv 100 at least before going to the last main story quest i don know what is called pedtrium or something

now i am only focusing on low level dungeon to get allagans and $$+ beast tribe quests

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

DPS should never have to hold back.

Said the terrible DPS.

[Fynlar]

Chance of an i110 dps running i60 content is about zero,

Roulettes say hi.

[Ellatrix]

Said the terrible DPS.

I'm a tank main. Hence the "main class" being GLD on the forums. If I lose hate it's my fault for making a mistake. Also I'm quite good at DPS.

Roulettes say hi.

95% of trial roulette dps that are i110 are soldiery superheros (many times wearing mismatched accessories that don't have primary stat) that have no clue how to play their job. As they have no idea how to deal damage, they generate almost no threat. This is easily seen on the threat meter.

[Lemuria]

95% of trial roulette dps that are i110 are soldiery superheros (many times wearing mismatched accessories that don't have primary stat) that have no clue how to play their job. As they have no idea how to deal damage, they generate almost no threat. This is easily seen on the threat meter.

You've been in some pretty dire roulettes then. I've done a lot of roulettes, both on lower geared jobs and my 'best' geared jobs. I've been in several HM roulettes where the DPS were packing 5k+ hitpoints, a Novus/Nexus weapon and knew their job and rotation all too well.

So no, 95% of roulette DPS are not idiots, nor are they necessarily poorly geared. Most are just regular players looking to get soldiery, either for new jobs or to enhance their own even further. It's not uncommon to be a low level tank with a bunch of high level DPS, and I've even had to hold aggro in a level 40 dungeon as Warrior with insanely over geared players who were at the SAME level. They had so much materia melded it was insane!

It's all too easy to blame 'bad tanks' which is why people shy away from tanking in the first place. The truth is there IS such a thing as a bad DPS as well, and knowing when to hold back makes the difference between good and great.

[Ellatrix]

It's all too easy to blame 'bad tanks' which is why people shy away from tanking in the first place. The truth is there IS such a thing as a bad DPS as well, and knowing when to hold back makes the difference between good and great.

No, you never hold back on damage, period. Get better tanks, or teach them (unlikely to be receptive, unfortunately).

Also saying someone is good because they have a Nexus is laughable.. when the hardest thing required to get it is still Titan HM.

[Duelle]

To me, the biggest thing about tanking for new players is that they need to have a fair understanding of the dungeon to do effective pulls. Otherwise, things can get chaotic.

Considering I've seen too many low level tanks that do not understand the concept of ability combos and emnity, I'd say the issue runs deeper than that.

I'm looking at you, GLAs that either spam Fast Blade => Riot Blade or who simply NEVER combo abilites.

If you're not holding aggro it means your DPS are incapable of reading numbers and count from 1-5 (assuming you're numbering stuff before pulling) or you're not doing your enmity combos. Only two reasons why a low level tank would ever lose aggro.

No, you never hold back on damage, period. Get better tanks, or teach them (unlikely to be receptive, unfortunately).

Also saying someone is good because they have a Nexus is laughable.. when the hardest thing required to get it is still Titan HM.

There is such a thing. DPS are just as responsible for keeping an eye on their threat, and if they steal from the tank by going balls to the wall yes, that does make them bad DPS. They're no different than the guys that pop all cooldowns just as the tank uses Shield Lob/Tomahawk to start the pull.