Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[Noata]

Its the trade off, You group with players and you get a faster Q time, downside If someone drops its gonna get a strike. not because of YOU but because of the PARTY that YOU are a part of. the party committed the withdraw. and your a part of it. naturally you get the penalty. Its a penalty for the whole party. It also doesn't take alot of fishing attempts to match up, 6 would be plenty. though since your filling in exactly whats needed and most people either PF full groups or solo Q your one of the few groups that just happen to match perfect. after all if their were a lot they wouldn't be asking you to Q to fill in the spots left.

you can rephrase all you want. but the penalty is THREE STRIKES, its gotten by either personally withdrawing or being in a premade party that withdraws. and the system was implemented because of mass abuse by the playerbase.

Talk to people see if they are ready and Q. Most of the cases of this party penalty will go away. be a little social. also speak up and let them know when you are busy or going AFK.

less then 10 seconds of " are you ready" "yes" "no"
or even "brb need to grab X, or going to the bathroom"

[Giantbane]

Its the trade off, You group with players and you get a faster Q time, downside If someone drops its gonna get a strike. not because of YOU but because of the PARTY that YOU are a part of. the party committed the withdraw. and your a part of it. naturally you get the penalty. Its a penalty for the whole party. It also doesn't take alot of fishing attempts to match up, 6 would be plenty. though since your filling in exactly whats needed and most people either PF full groups or solo Q your one of the few groups that just happen to match perfect. after all if their were a lot they wouldn't be asking you to Q to fill in the spots left.

you can rephrase all you want. but the penalty is THREE STRIKES, its gotten by either personally withdrawing or being in a premade party that withdraws. and the system was implemented because of mass abuse by the playerbase.

If they're asking you to Q to fill the slots that are empty, you shouldn't need to fish at all since it's very likely to match you right away. They could do that now with 3 attempts.

There's nothing to rephrase. What you describe doesn't matter and should be ignored for all the reasons stated.

It should be three strikes against the person that withdrew ONLY. No one else should be affected because there isn't any reason to do this beyond your made up little scenarios. Period.

[Ronyx]

Im totally happy of this new systems. So far got no penalty. Queues had been faster specially for ST, No more 100 withdrawn, people thing twice and more to even withdraw. You just have to be aware when it pops.

[Riepah]

So, I was just signed up for Thornmarch with my friend. My friend signed up as a healer, went to do Fates on Ninja to pass the time. After quite a while, the queue finally showed up - but my friend didn't manage to get away from aggroing mobs in time to switch classes and accept - so we both got a strike.

People who support the whole party getting a strike for things like these would probably be fine with being thrown into jail for a crime their neighbor committed.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

that was a bad analogy and you should feel bad

[M0xie]

We needed something, but the system could be so much better. If the DF knows who has completed a required quest to join a queue, it should know who has strikes. Therefore, it should also be able to assign strikes to an individual who withdrew, and if that person alone accumulates three strikes, the party gets a message that a player does not qualify to join the queue, just like if they were missing a quest. That player alone gets the lockout and has to leave and/or the rest of the party gets to choose if they want to wait instead of having it forced on them. There's no reason to penalize the whole group, that part is just stupid.

[Riepah]

that was a bad analogy and you should feel bad

Punishing one person for what another person does or fails to do is wrong, no matter what it's about.

[Raist]

Just a few silly examples of designs gone wrong... SE has no monopoly on it. Can't fix stupid!

[Souljacker]

We needed something, but the system could be so much better... Therefore, it should also be able to assign strikes to an individual who withdrew, and if that person alone accumulates three strikes, the party gets a message that a player does not qualify to join the queue, just like if they were missing a quest.

I agree that if they are committed to keeping punishments in the game as their chosen way to redirect undesired behavior, they should at least design it so that the actual behavior that caused the perception of trolling is the ONLY thing that is actually punished (and mind, I'm still in favor of redirecting behavior by redesigning the queue itself).

Instead of accumulating a strike just for withdrawing from a queue, because no one should accumulate a strike just because they had something else come up in RL or couldn't get out of a heavy aggro zone in time, it should be set up so that if you withdraw again from the queue within five minutes, you get a strike. Another withdraw in five minutes, another one. So on up to the amount they decide is the lockout threshold. Then DPS who just happen to miss a queue won't get a strike and have to worry about gluing their eyes to the screen for the next half hour while they wait again, and the ONLY behavior affected by this is the actual behavior they were trying to curb. The only reason any tank\healer fished for queues was because the time\reward ratio could be quite attractive due to fast queue pops. Make them drag it out over the course of say, a half hour - and you've solved the problem.

Why they chose to implement a punishment at all is baffling enough - I hope they at least tweak it so fewer innocents are caught in the crossfire. I'm not really sure which is worse - their crusade against RMT or their new crusade against queue fishers.

[MythToken]

The reason you cannot have 1 person in the party get the strike, and not the entire party. Is it would in effect give the party 9 chances to get the dungeon they wanted. (assuming party of 3)

Dungeon cycling is def a problem, and defeats the purpose of roulette. People will abuse it. It's just a fact.

The OP complaining about his lockout, is misleading this entire thread because 1 withdraw by himself or party members would not lead to a lockout. It would only be a strike. So therefore he is leaving some important facts out.

It sounds like he was trying to dungeon cycle around something and didn't realize how the penalty worked. And then got mad.