Revelations from Final Coil [SPOILERS]

[Kyan]

I have a lore related question then:

Phoenix Down item description: The billowy plumage of the fledgling Phoenix─a legendary bird that, upon each fiery death, is said to rise from its own ashes in a literal “blaze of glory.” When placed upon the body of one who is incapacitated, it will instantly revive the person. While some cultures insist that the tail feather's restorative properties trump those of down, these claims have yet to be proven in any sort of scientific capacity. ※Cannot be used during battle.

So, are these parts of our beloved Archon-as-Primal, akin to the Heart of Titan, Garuda's feather etc that are left behind on other Primal's defeat? Have there been other Phoenixes present in Eorzea? There must have been enough parts of a Phoenix to be studied, at least...

Also, it seems people do believe, or know of Phoenix, at least: "a legendary bird".

[Anonymoose]

I have a lore related question then

This is all my opinion, here, but I feel like if they were really part of the primal, they'd have dissolved into aether with the rest of him. Even if they'd survived like a primal drop, I expect that they'd have been far more rare, and spirited away into the collections of scholars and the likes of Rowena's benefactors long before they were given away to adventurers as quest rewards, for that matter. Moreover, it has no more power than company-issue tonic/expectorant. If I had to guess, the "phoenix" down we've been passing around is little different than an "Icarus" feather; a bird feather that's been dyed, styled, soaked in a secretive alchemical mix, and sold off to the commonfolk as something special. Perhaps the legend's popularity is why they were keen to buy such an item, and why it was such a salient image at the Battle of Cartenau.

[Morningstar1337]

So I have a feeling that...

Lousioux's apotheosis

would serve a disturbing precedent for what the Ascians may plan to do with the Warrior of Light

[myahele]

Yeah, it seems like it. We've precedent: iceheart had the echo and served as a vessel and retained her will. We have loisoix as well. The WoL have been getting doses of Hydelines essence as well.

I've not seen the video, bit hydalines quote "all become one" and that the 12 resembled crystals then wouldn't it be possible that the 12 are aspects of her?

[dragonflie]

what the Ascians may plan to do with the Warrior of Light

Crazy though, but wouldn't it be awesome if they were actually trying to groom us into being Zodiak's vessel?

[Morningstar1337]

So are there any details known about T13? I'm a little bit curious

[MarcJacob]

So are there any details known about T13? I'm a little bit curious

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...7LWFUkUDZpLlhz

[Saikou]

The implication about Phoenix brings us to another interesting concept that we haven't really got a firm answer from SE's lore guys on: The significance of symbols: Louisoix says that the phoenix has always been a mythological symbol of rebirth. It was an idea that was known not to be true. But it was a symbol and an idea that many people across the world of Hydaelyn were familiar with. Louisoix became the aetherial embodiment of this symbol and the idea it represented. I wonder if it's completely crackpot to say that this has implications for our Allagan Runestones.

I've seen the coil cutscenes, but has anyone uploaded or transcribed the followup at The Waking Sands with Urianger? Or has that even been implemented yet?

[Morningstar1337]

The implication about Phoenix brings us to another interesting concept that we haven't really got a firm answer from SE's lore guys on: The significance of symbols: Louisoix says that the phoenix has always been a mythological symbol of rebirth. It was an idea that was known not to be true. But it was a symbol and an idea that many people across the world of Hydaelyn were familiar with. Louisoix became the aetherial embodiment of this symbol and the idea it represented. I wonder if it's completely crackpot to say that this has implications for our Allagan Runestones.

What allagin runestones? You mean these things with the glyphs of the 12?

I've seen the coil cutscenes, but has anyone uploaded or transcribed the followup at The Waking Sands with Urianger? Or has that even been implemented yet?

The Alisale's Path scenes are in the playlist linked below if that;s what you meant

[LaurelinKementari]

In the end, one can't help but feel sorry and pitty for Louisoix and Bahamut both, and Alisaie even aknowledged this. The cruelty of the Allagan towards the Meracydian dragons and their dragon god knew no bounds. Yet, letting Bahamut run rampant and lay the world to waste would solve nothing; the Allagan are long since gone and burried, and he would be taking out his wrath on people whose sins and crimes are not related to Bahamut and his children. Alphinaud also has a point that nobody, certainly not the people of Eorzea, can know of the truth, or they would pray and worship the primal Phoenix and turn Louisoix into the very thing he sought to fight against. Perhaps one day a solution can be found that will allow primals to exist without draining the aether.

The final question that remains now is if this is the last we will see of the Elder Primal Bahamut. He was free for the first time in millenia for all but ten minutes, before being dragged underground, then reformed and rebound by his shattered prison. "Sucks", does not even begin to describe that existence, or the existence of the dragons kept in stasis simply to simulate prayer to keep him summoned. What happened to Meracydia since its fall all those millenia ago? Does it still exist? Are there still dragons out there today who offer prayer and worship to the Elder Primal? Perhaps, one day, we will travel there and find out for ourselves.

Thinking about it, if Bahamut was kept summoned by the prayer of the stasis-bound dragons... then what in the name of the Twelve is it that keeps Odin bound to this realm?