Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[Cedane]

So you propose to avoid playing together with people you don't know yet, inherently rendering the Party Finder system pointless? Not to mention you won't easily get to know people if you don't play with them beforehand.

I'm proposing that if that scenario happens when someone purposely trolls you, report him. Square Enix is always strong on cracking down people who abuse stuff like that. Kick him, then wait it out. I've used Duty Finder when my friends and FC mates weren't around to come with me, and I've went with them and I've just queued up on my own. Its not that big of a deal. I really don't think it is.

You guys complained about people abusing it and you got the fix. Now your complaining when they implement the fix. No one seems to ever be satisfied. :/

[Riepah]

You guys complained about people abusing it and you got the fix. Now your complaining when they implement the fix. No one seems to ever be satisfied. :/

I never complained about it, your "you guys" blanket statements are inaccurate and uncalled for.

This so-called "fix" has been implemented in a rather strange and seemingly unreasonable manner. All that would've been required to cull the fishing-for-in-progress-crowd was a 3 strike per hour rule, not a 3 strike per day rule that doesn't even only punish the player in question but their whole party alongside them.

Also, what is reporting them going to accomplish? The rest of the party got their strike, and it's not like the player in question did anything horrible. Withdrawing from duty is hardly breaking the ToS or anything, so I'd be very surprised if any GM did as much as lift a finger about it, beyond letting you know that they won't/can't help you.

[Cedane]

Well. I guess we can agree to disagree. If you think there's a better way to punish those who abuse the system without punishing the innocent, then propose it. I see so many people not coming up with a better method.

And the other methods still ignore the fact trolls will abuse it anyway. There just ISN'T another way to do it. So just act responsibly when using Duty Finder!

We'll agree to disagree, and I'll move on!

[Fornix]

The ones who abused it would withdraw 3 times in a short period of time. Heck a 3 times withdrawl within 30 minutes leading to a 24 hour lockout would still have been better than what we got now.

[Kaelah]

FFS its not for a day, its 30 minutes. i really have no idea why or how people keep thinking its for 24 hours.

because 30 minutes is that much of a set back.

True 30 mins isn't long, but say you're a player who only has an hour a day to play. That is half your day gone. If it's because someone in your group withdrew it'd be pretty annoying.

Personally I always do /readycheck before hitting up the Duty. Sure you might still get a troll who will withdraw but it reduces the possibility of one of your party members being afk and causing a group wide penalty.

[LaylaTsarra]

Perhaps I am missing something but have we all become so unable to wait that we now have to be punished like children? So concludes my rant.

Just had 10 withdrawals queuing for ST this morning. And yes if people started acting like adults maybe a penalty wouldn't be necessary. What goes on at times is simply a joke. In this day and age the need for accountablility isn't there anymore. That happens in real life all the time so I suppose why should it matter in a video game. I'm all for this and 30 minutes is just about right. You get 3 strikes and have to sit in the corner for 3o minutes.

[Marisela]

Since you can only Fish In Progress when Solo Que, why even add Penalty to not full made party in the first place? Isn't the point of fixing the problem is to stop people from Fishing. Or Abolish the whole system and make it only show "In Progress." Windows once you press Commence only, then suck you in the Duty. No More fishing in progress.

From a technical point of view, the way it's programmed now makes perfect sense, but perhaps could use a better explanation from the developers. It's the queueing entity (player or party) that receives the penalty because, if one person in the party cancels, the entire party's queue is cancelled and none of them enter the duty. Let's say you're in a party of three and queuing for the fourth member; if one of your party members doesn't consent it's exactly the same as if all three of you didn't consent from the queue system's point of view. There's no real way around this at that moment because if you just kick the non-consenting member, you still can't enter the duty right away since it now has to find a replacement, so you enter the queue again.

Good point, I never thought of the system this way. So it the way it is right now is you won't screw someone over like a DPS who been in que for an hours. Let say, you are 3 pre-made, Tank, Healer, and one DPS. You get instant pop for the other DPS. But the other DPS have been waiting for almost an hours. It finally pop, he is excited. But oh no, someone in your party press Cancel, or AFK. Now that DPS have to suffer the wait again because of your Group is not ready.

I think the system is working fine. Just do full pre-made or with people and friends you trust. I never run into a problem with this system yet. And if it make it better for everyone and stop fishing, I'm all for it.

[Granyala]

Well. I guess we can agree to disagree. If you think there's a better way to punish those who abuse the system without punishing the innocent, then propose it.

No punishment system is needed.
HIDE THE PROGRESS STATUS.

Bam. In progress fishing impossible.

As far as the "lul I troll DF just for the heck of it!": This is bollocks. This doesn't even happen in WoW with it's "oh sooo immature" community.
There might be super rare cases that do it, but these can simply be ignored.

I find it really worrying how many people aren't thinking critically here and blindly accept what the DEVs present them. This is an IDIOTIC and totally UNNECESSARY design decision that has numerous negative side effects and needs to get reverted ASAP.

Just had 10 withdrawals queuing for ST this morning.

Easily fixed: Start a raid with all that accepted and then refill the 2-3 spots that cancelled. WoW does that for it's LFRs and it works pretty well.
While you still have to wait a little longer till the raid is full (though typically peeps just start clearing trash), the strain of "must not miss queue pop" is gone.

[Marisela]

No punishment system is needed.
HIDE THE PROGRESS STATUS.

Bam. In progress fishing impossible.

This I agree with. Why making it more complicated then it already should? You are just asking people to Fish in Progress by showing it. It like SE said, here this party is not in progress. Cancel or Commence? Here you go, this Party is In Progress, Cancel or Commence?

If you absolutely need to show in progress windows. Only make it when people click OK.

[vp_cmc]

I hope this BS will be removed soon. Almost got a lockout trying to help a friend by joining in progress dungeon, and not knowing, that he already found a replacement, so I got 2 fresh groups. One more, and hello, lockout.

And once again: the intention of registering in df was helping a friend to finish his dungeon, or is it bad now?