How the DF 'Withdraw' penalty SHOULD have been done

[Ellatrix]

Right now, we have two situations:
1. I hit withdraw a few times, annoying other players and maybe wasting a minute of their time
2. I enter the trial roulette and get paired up with 2 ninjas who spent 2 hours in queue then I leave, leaving them without the means to complete the run unless someone joins in progress at 0/3 (unlikely)

Both assess the same penalty for some reason!

So here's how it should have worked, in 2 parts!:
-Every time you hit withdraw, you get an increasing time penalty until you can go again (from 0, 1, 3, 5, 10 minutes). This decays over the course of a few hours. This prevents spamming which was the problem!
-You finally add another checkbox to ONLY search for in-progress runs. This means you don't have to spam anymore!

So simple, yet.. they choose the bludgeon method to unfairly punish players. How are all those ninjas sitting in queue for over an hour feeling about this now? Oops you went to grab a drink after sitting in queue for so long now you have a strike.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

i like this. if the punishment increases with each withdraw or failed response, then this is fair. and it will still get rid of the trolling. and i also like the option to only search for in-progress. i don't look for in-progress myself, but it's still a good idea.

+1

[Lithera]

You CAN'T add an "In Progress OnlY' box or those NINs would have even LONGER queues because tanks and healers would have a tendency to pick In Progress over a new run. You simply can't further dilute the DF pool that way.

[AzakaTonnerre]

You finally add another checkbox to ONLY search for in-progress runs. This means you don't have to spam anymore!

This had been discussed before, it is not going to happen. They did not add the in progress box to enable people to get full credit for completing a partial DR. They added it to help people who had someone leave or DC. Why should you get a button that basically says "I want full credit without doing a full dungeon only"? How many people do you think (mainly tanks) would select anything but in-progress only?

I have a better idea, if you don't want a penalty and do not have time for the possibility of having to do a full run don't queue. It's hard enough for DPS to get a party without half the tanks/healers hitting the in progress only button.

And before you say it. Yes Warrior is my main, and yes I usually DR as it. Just my two cents. I do however agree with your increasing penalty suggestion.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

i don't really understand how you would get full credit. if you mean roulette's, then simply force disable that option for roulette's. otherwise, i don't see any other way to get full credit.

in any case, the option is just that... optional. i don't see how it could cause any harm. and it would make it easier to get someone from your FC or LS in to your in-progress. i can't count how many times i've asked for help from a tank or healer, but for them to not be able to get in. of course, it would be much nicer to just simply be able to invite an outside player to your in-progress instance.

[Ellatrix]

In-progress is pretty poor for low level runs anyway, since you want it for XP, so you want to be there for the entire run. Unless you're working on animus/novus or whatever, then yea you want to jump to the end, which should be fine since being forced to run low level dungeon for a weapon is dumb anyway, and that population is still split evenly across all classes.

lv50 dungeons tanks/healers aren't going to sit only in progress because then you're gonna end up with a queue that could take 30min. They will go to the one that takes less time, which will end up being mostly new runs. Also the tomestones are split between bosses now and not all at the end, so you only get partial credit for a partial run.

[NyarukoW]

The penalty as it is implemented it just fine. I am happy to see that I not clicking commence 15 times in the next 10 minutes to get into an instance. It is night and day the difference it has been. The people whining about it are the DF abusers trying to fish for god knows what.

[Alukah]

i don't really understand how you would get full credit. if you mean roulette's, then simply force disable that option for roulette's. otherwise, i don't see any other way to get full credit.

in any case, the option is just that... optional. i don't see how it could cause any harm. and it would make it easier to get someone from your FC or LS in to your in-progress. i can't count how many times i've asked for help from a tank or healer, but for them to not be able to get in. of course, it would be much nicer to just simply be able to invite an outside player to your in-progress instance.

DF depends on people from all roles queueing up, if half the tanks or healers choose in-progress only then the queue times would double for any player who would queue for a full run.

So yes, your option does cause harm.

And with this I disagree with OP's second proposal.

[Lemuria]

So far it appears to me this change is only annoying the people who were farming for in-progress runs. Working as intended, I would presume.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

DF depends on people from all roles queueing up, if half the tanks or healers choose in-progress only then the queue times would double for any player who would queue for a full run.

So yes, your option does cause harm.

okay. well that makes sense. thank you for not being a jerk and actually pointing out the harm it could cause. we can't ALL be bright ones! lol :P


either way, i still think the first idea for the lock-out is good. i don't mind a punishment system. and certainly do like having much more reliable queues. however, i think the punishment is just too much. it makes me feel like i can never change my mind about something at the last second. it feels way to controlling and restrictive. almost like the game is being ran by communists.


P.S. it's not my option/idea. i merely gave it a +1.