Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

[Kinseykinz]

I am not understanding the problem:

Relic= upgradable weapon, you work on at a casual pace (solo) that grows with you over time. It was (at least for now) not intended to be 'BiS' but rather, a good steady-eddie weapon that you could rely upon to fill in the gaps while in-between weapons and/or if the RNGeus was bad to you for a couple months.

Top-tier Raid drop (ala atm coil)=BiS weapons, but requires skill, teamwork and RNG to get. Also, only BiS for a limited time...once the next 'endgame raid' is out, this weapon is replaced. And since, the majority of players aren't clearing this content on the cutting edge of patches, by the time most people earn their weapon/gears from these dungeons, they actually are no longer BiS but 'secondary' role weapons.

So yeah, for an 'endgame raider' The relic is less your cup of tea, in that you likely will have something better to use at least until the next upgrade or two of the relic storyline. Still, it's likely worth your time to work on the relic, and keep it updated (in a casual way) so that you have it for moments just like now in game where yes, there IS a better (BiS) weapon in game...but you don't posess it atm....and therefore, currently your best choice IS your Relic.

I guess I don't know why you are having an issue. Wouldn't you be more pissed off if the weapons requiring coil turn clears were worse than a Nexus?

[Sapphic]

Fixed it for 2.4, and I'm pretty sure there's gonna be another upgrade in 2.5

You forgot the daily quest fro the Alex map too from clearing expert roulette.

I am not understanding the problem:

Relic= upgradable weapon, you work on at a casual pace (solo) that grows with you over time. It was (at least for now) not intended to be 'BiS' but rather, a good steady-eddie weapon that you could rely upon to fill in the gaps while in-between weapons and/or if the RNGeus was bad to you for a couple months.

This.

And I can easily bet that FCoB is clearable using Nexus too.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Is that no different to how anything you get from Coil now will become completely obsolete with the new content in 2.5 and the expansion? Sure, you spent the time when it was harder, but you were able to obtain it during a period of time where it was the strongest weapon at your disposal. The level syncs of course was SE's response to people complaining about the i60 & 70 duties being too easy pre-2.4, and for some it's a welcome change.

No, let get this right. T9 weapon is pretty much a piece of glamor... I mean, let be logic here, you don't need a T9 weapon to beat T9... >< that be an horrible idea, But in revenge you might need a RELIC or those weapon you upgrade in Coil, so you can beat T9 and have your shinny red weapon.

Right now, the option of having you relic upgraded to progress is not there, and the only option is those weapon that you can upgrade with new currency and coil. So ya, relic got left out again...

[Mariel_Crystallie]

you can use the relic as accuracy booster for t10~13...

[shiroxkatsuya]

You still saw lots of people using Animus for turn 9 even, A ilvl 115 weapon is not gonna fall of right away and will still hold you (specially being a tank) for awhile.

[Ooshima]

You still saw lots of people using Animus for turn 9 even, A ilvl 115 weapon is not gonna fall of right away and will still hold you (specially being a tank) for awhile.

And the fact that during the fanfest, Yoshida says Turn 2 of FCoB will be kind of difficult with existing IL110 gear but yet Collision downed Turn 3 in less than 3 days (or less than 72hrs) with IL110 gear + Nexus, and that a couple of groups have also cleared T2 with existing gear shows that Nexus and current gear are pretty good.

Just waiting to see if any of the top running groups will break T13 with Nexus weapons. There is still 2 more weeks before a IL130 weapon is possible, and that is plenty of time for these skillful groups.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Wouldn't you be more pissed off if the weapons requiring coil turn clears were worse than a Nexus?

You mean, was i piss when i did Nexus after i got T9 weapon bc it was better? Hmm, no.. i was not piss at all, but i can tell you, this should never happen. The whole problem here is this, i am not talking about lass boss weapon, i am talking about those weapon you can buy with new currency, those are in place to HELP player to defeat boss, as the relic. I mean, tell me the use of relic otherwise?

The last nexus upgrade made no sense since it was 1 month before 2.4, was literally useless in t6-9 content.

[Aldora]

So you can buy the shield for 390 Poetics, and sword for 7 Token + 1 Encrypted Tomestone.

I tght all the time i spend into Relic, Atma farm, Myth grind, Book, Dungon, gil, and 2000 light HM spam, i would have a DECENT use into the new content, but i guess my expectation was too high. The new weapon/sheild should take at top 3 week at 4h per week

At least, i did not spend 10m+ into these DET/Crit materia (as many did) and i bet these player may have a good feeling about all this too.

Time to move on i guess. GL to everyone on your nexus/trixus/anux or w/e they call them next update. Thank you Yoshi for that awesome useless spam.

Personally, i would not focus on getting the Poetics weapon, unless you are in the position to purchase the weapon itself.

Like the Soldiery weapons, you need both tokens and a certain item (in this case the the Encrypted Tomestone) before you can buy the Ironworks weapon. Since you will need the Encrypted Tomestone from the 2nd Turn of the FCoB, you will probably stick to the Nexus till then.

Why not spend tomes on getting other gear, for instance stuff that drop in the last turn of the FCoB instead? I know i will, since i can get more stat improvements in general by replacing my iLvl 110 Gear and Accessories.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has beaten T9 yet. For them, the Nexus is still one of the best items they can use till they do.

So with that in mind, i don’t believe that the Relic weapons “barely have any use”.

[Edli]

You knew what you're getting into since from the start. Relic was the weapon for those that couldn't beat coil, a time consuming one. This is not exactly a surprise, it has been the norm for ages.

[RiceisNice]

The state that the relic weapon was previously in just didn't justify it's existence other than a timesink, from a combination of both the time investment required (especially in regards to the atma step for the longest time, up until 2.4 anyway). It was bad as a "catch up" weapon if you tried to go beyond zenith because of how UATs dropped like hotcakes post 2.37, and how UATs were made available in ST on 2.3...same time as hunts giving bloodied logs that could be traded for sands. I dinged my first 50 on the release of 2.3 and got a UAT the next day from ST. That immediately voided any other reason other than "for the sake of it" to get up to novus. I was able to get a UAT and have 50~/750 allied seals to get a unweathered rosenburger before I even got my first atma.

Someone mentioned that yoshi delayed the relic steps in patch updates because not enough people had completed their steps to catch up...so he wanted to give them more time (though I see this as a fallacy considering the nature of atma).

And I personally don't have a problem with the tomestone weapon being a bit stronger...like people have mentioned it's gonna take a bit (maybe?) for someone to get to T11 to have it dropped. Though once we hit the next update where they let CT3 or hunts or whatever drop the tomestones and the upgrade catalyst effortlessly (a repeat of 2.3 pretty much)...well now we're running into problems again with the power difference:time commitment

Really, I feel like the relic questline shouldn't be just for the glamour. And as for the people that keep saying it's upgradable...aren't you upgrading your weapon anyway when you pick up a tomestone/dreadwyrm weapon that is stronger than your HA?