Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

[Pr0c3ss0r]

So you can buy the shield for 390 Poetics, and sword for 7 Token + 1 Encrypted Tomestone.

I tght all the time i spend into Relic, Atma farm, Myth grind, Book, Dungon, gil, and 2000 light HM spam, i would have a DECENT use into the new content, but i guess my expectation was too high. The new weapon/sheild should take at top 3 week at 4h per week

At least, i did not spend 10m+ into these DET/Crit materia (as many did) and i bet these player may have a good feeling about all this too.

Time to move on i guess. GL to everyone on your nexus/trixus/anux or w/e they call them next update. Thank you Yoshi for that awesome useless spam.

9 book:
-27 dungon at 30 min each = 13.5 hours. *in best world of insta Q, GL with that*
-90 monster kill
-27 Leve quest
-27 painful Fate you need wait for hours and hours to spawn.
12 atma at 4h each drop = 48 hours
farming Myth 9x 1500 = Tons of time
75 Alex at 800 Myth each (60,000 MYTH!)
2000 light at 1 per minute = 33 hours minimum.

9 book:
-27 dungon at 30 min each = 13.5 hours.
-90 monster kill
-27 Leve quest
-27 painful Fate you need wait for hours and hours to spawn.
12 atma at the mercy of RNG for each drop = 2 hours - Forever
farming Soldiery 9x 750
75 Alex at 400 Soldiery each (30,000 SLD!)
2000 light at 1 per minute = 33 hours minimum.

P.S: Patch 2.4 also patched the brillant light from t6-t9, now is only bright. Have fun!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...91#post2176391 (Welcome to my worry 5 month ago.) FF14 ARR (A Realm Reborn, A Relic reborn or A Rage Reborn, you decide)

[OdinEon]

This is not news, its pretty common, last patch coil runners complained relic was better, new patch coil better, see a pattern here?

[Gextiv]

"One of the fabeled relic weapons."

Gratz on your fabeled relic weapon.

[Nutz]

The new weapon/sheild should take at top 3 week at 4h per week

For you, perhaps. Clearing parts of the FCoB is required for the encrypted tomestone (I haven't read which turn yet) and perhaps you're going to be doing that and you'll personally get one within the first 3 weeks, however there are tons of other players who won't. Also I would like to know what you're doing to run through new Coil and cap poetics in just 4 hours.

[Coatl]

You can't even get the weapon unless you beat t10. And even then you have a 1/8 chance of getting it if everyone wants it.

Coil gear will always have the lead with the relic line. This is to be expected.

[silentwindfr]

You can't even get the weapon unless you beat t10. And even then you have a 1/8 chance of getting it if everyone wants it.

Coil gear will always have the lead with the relic line. This is to be expected.

no i'm sorry that mustn't be expected, the time you need to spend for upgrade a relic is far more important than any time spend in dungeon or raid... the raider simply can't accept that them precious raid don't drop the best gears around! i'm sorry but the relic must be the best weapon of the game, since it ask soo much time at the release of ARR yes it was short to do the relic, now it's painfull, nothing explain why it wasn't eased more than this or at least make it the best weapon of the game !

right now for get a weapon i110 you only need 1300 soldiery (50 per dungeon expert) 26 dungeon in total (without count the roulette bonus you can get there and there.) 1 sand and one unidentified allagan tomestone that can be easily farmed in ST (while getting soldiery).... look at what you must do for get the relic i110....

i will say it one more time: the Relic must be the best weapon around!

[MasamuneBranford]

i will say it one more time: the Relic must be the best weapon around!

In all fairness - relic caps at 115 now with nexus and is better than your typical item level 115 (similar to novus being better than the soldiery 110 weapon). In 2.4, the only way you're going to get a weapon that is better than 110 over the next three months is by being able to clear T10 (correct me if I'm wrong). So people with nexus are going to have a better weapon than anyone who can't beat T10 (which will likely be 90-95% of the player population).

[RiceisNice]

...

It shouldn't be the best if it doesn't require you to tackle the highest tier of content (Coil). Though on the same end, it shouldn't be blown out of the water by handing in a piece of rock (which may or may not have any value, according to Garlond Ironworks) to a couple of schmucks...which seriously irks me with all the lore background behind the relic weapons.


Either that, or add some aesthetic value to it that justifies more than just glamour...why cant my bard use The Artemis Bow as a frigging harp (as told by Gerlot himself, the bow was used as a instrument and a weapon by Gilbert, the first of the Godsbow), but instead I sheathe it then take out a generic wooden harp? Even my washed up Bard NPC uses his bow as a harp!

...but getting back on track, they could have coil be an objective to finish a relic step and make it BiS...something like (and stay with me here, WoW's done this before to some extent) getting x20 Unobtainium from second coil bosses (which are RNG quest drops, but I'm not sure if SE's quest mechanics even allow this), then defeat Nael Deusn Darnus as the final step (which would've been Nexus, using it as an example anyway).

In all fairness - relic caps at 115 now with nexus and is better than your typical item level 115 (similar to novus being better than the soldiery 110 weapon). In 2.4, the only way you're going to get a weapon that is better than 110 over the next three months is by being able to clear T10 (correct me if I'm wrong). So people with nexus are going to have a better weapon than anyone who can't beat T10 (which will likely be 90-95% of the player population).

If we're gonna talk semantics, then sure, that'd apply for some classes. But for ones who already have arguably optimized stats on their unweathered weapon (such as BLM with SS and acc) really aren't getting much from their novus, while other classes like BRD (I'm struggling to be accuracy capped with an unweathered rosenburger), I welcome my novus for accuracy melds. In HA comparison, my bow would hardly be *that* much better than the HA one since its meeting my accuracy requirements and boosting a nice det... at least not that much better I'd justify the time sink from Atma alone (which is now debatable, but hey I finished my atma pre-2.4).

I'm probably not gonna get my ironworks weapon because the stats on it are pretty bad, at least not as my first piece; I'd fall far too low below accuracy cap to justify the extra dex and weapon damage.

[silentwindfr]

It shouldn't be the best if it doesn't require you to tackle the highest tier of content (Coil)...

that the point where we disagree, the raid must be one of the content of the game, not the only one best content. other point, the game must reward you for the time spend for get something. when we compare the time needed for get the relic nexus today, sorry, but is not fair that this weapon was not better than the one from BC 2 when it did come out. i don't say that it must be the best at the start of the tier, but at mid time of the tier, it must be the best weapon of the game.

and i want to ask, do you do raid because it give the best stuff or because you want to challenge hard content? because if the only reason the raider do raid is for get the best shinies around... like we say in france: "c'est comme donner des truffes a un cochon." i let you find what it means.

[RiceisNice]

t..

My french is only limited to culinary terms...something with feeding truffles to pigs (which dig for truffles). What I suggested is trying to find the best of both worlds; people want their gear to be the best by experiencing raid content, some people (me included) don't believe that you should get gear without experiencing all of the content.

The way it was before, Nexus could be done without ever stepping into coil. The fact that coil itself is so exclusive with the heavy emphasis on mechanics and lock outs, it really doesn't help the average player. Though Nexus being BiS at that point wasn't worth a damn considering HA was there for months before Nexus came by; at that point I didn't really care that it was the best gear in the game (especially when the difference was 5-7 secondary stats)

I think it's worth pointing out that you would need an item you can only get from Final Coil to get the Poe weapons ATM. so you can;t "just buy" them from a vendor

And this is why I'm not that concerned with nexus being outdated. But introducing CT3 and allowing it to drop those tomes would only compound onto that. By that time, we'd have a repeat of Novus; you can't realistically justify the timesink to get up to nexus then do the next step other than for glamour. Though this all falls into SE not being able to find a middle ground for any of this.