I finally beat it 4 groups and 3 vote abandons later.

I mean, I get that challenging 4 mans might be interesting to stop speed runs and to make things more interesting but hard fights are just not suited for duty finder, not without the echo.

I finally got a group I could heal trhough the lasers with, I think my problem was the previous 3 groups everyone was just really squishy or undergeared, which is why I kinda object to hard DF fights without echo.

because yeah if you get a good group they're probably not that bad, but it seems most of the time in DF you're going to get undergeared people or just outright bads.

I'm worried this new set of expert roulette is going to be incredibly annoying when all the NINs ding 50 and get a hold of i80 gear.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the minimum ilvl was higher?