Issue with players stealing from Company Chests...

[Alukah]

Those who say it's not stealing... (here comes the analogy)

So you have a job as a cashier, which means the owner gave you access to money and products that aren't yours, are you saying it's fine to steal anything you see in the cash register just because they gave you access to it? How do you see having access to something equal to "it has my name on it, I will take it".

Stop with the absurd victim blaming already.

[SalemP]

Those who say it's not stealing... (here comes the analogy)

So you have a job as a cashier, which means the owner gave you access to money and products that aren't yours, are you saying it's fine to steal anything you see in the cash register just because they gave you access to it? How do you see having access to something equal to "it has my name on it, I will take it".

Stop with the absurd victim blaming already.

It's a bad analogy. A cashier isn't allowed to take money from the drawer for their own personal use. Yes, that would be stealing. In this case, members are ALLOWED to take things out to use for their own use. Whether or not I would call someone cleaning out the chest stealing, idk. It's on the line imo.

As for the other thing, I'm not even touching that...

[Sadana]

We give a rank with chest access only to members that have done a certain Gil donations to chest. Most likely when ninjas-wanna-be realize that, they will leave the FC to search another one.

This is a pretty good idea too. Do you also heavily restrict who has access to withdrawing gil? I would imagine so...

I think the problem here is that some people will join a FC with the express purpose of building some level of trust (I seem to remember someone writing about a member going so far as to be trusted over time and become an officer before taking everything) and then taking stuff from the FC and leaving. Then, they will go and do this to other FCs. We don't have any way to stop these people (due to SE saying it's a FC matter and won't ban them) besides word of mouth. I see it as harassment/griefing.

[RiceisNice]

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The cashier is allowed to take money out of the machine to do his job. What he does with that money is something else. I'd also agree with the poor analogy because of the context we have with the current allowances for the chest.

The intent of the OP is to get more options/enforcement on how much someone can withdraw from a tab. I have tab 1 as the whole low level foods, consumables and crafting materials for our lowbie members, but there's absolutely no way for us to stop them from ransacking the entire tab 1. It's either view only, deposit only, or full access; there's no middle ground to any of that.

I'd rather us be able to adjust how many they can withdraw within a day, instead of going to the trouble of them having to send us a request to withdraw it for them....that itself is incredibly limited too because we we have no means of communication or bullitin board posts ingame aside from personal messages or the login greeting.

[SalemP]

This is a pretty good idea too. Do you also heavily restrict who has access to withdrawing gil? I would imagine so...

I heavily restrict my FC gil. Only me (master) and the second have access to take any out. Besides the obv reasons, we also did that so members felt it was safe to donate bc random people couldn't just take it out. Even the captains/officers do not have access to it. The only issue I have personally with LalaRu's thing is I don't want members to feel obligated to give gil or anything else. Or have it feel like people have to "buy" memberships. That's just a personal preference though.

[Alukah]

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The analogy wasn't meant to cover the withdraw limits, just a reply to those people who are jumping with "you allowed them to do it".

I do agree with implementing withdraw limits, another game I used to play had this, ranks could be set with limits between 0, 10, 50, 200 or unlimited draws.

[NyarukoW]

As an FC you need to be willing give people the benefit of the doubt. You got let people demonstrate that they are honorable. If stuff is always locked and constrained to the max, you will never know the true color of the players. You need to be willing risk some stuff to see how they behave. Severly limit access to the stuff that you can't afford to lose, but with the other stuff be generous and see how people behave.

Have we had people take a bunch of shards and run off, yes. But we also had people who after the got their ranks demoted because of unexplained withdrawals wait a few weeks to talk to us and then explain the situation. And in response they went gathered the shards to replenish what they took, and had their ranks restored. And in the process you learn how people behave and react and become more valuable members of the FC.

[Anapingofness]

I'm shocked at the amount of victim blaming going on.
Wtf mates?

The OP let someone into their FC out of good will. That person took that goodwill and trust and betrayed them.
There is a limit to how much a person can take before it becomes outright thievery, even if that person has "permission".
Yes, the FC chest has certain permissions but it doesn't matter if it was page1 or all three pages that got cleaned out.
Stealing is still stealing.
Stealing is still wrong.
The person who should be blamed is the thief.

My guess is that many of you feel secure that this would never happen to you.
If it did happen then you may be more sympathetic.
I sincerely hope that none of you get cleaned out like that. It is a terrible feeling to have.

OP, my FC is fairly laid back but after someone also cleaned us out not too long ago. Thankfully, we didn't have too much valuables stolen.
Regardless, I had no choice but to limit the access to the chest.
While it isn't my way of handling things I had to think of the other people in the FC and make the choice based on that.
It wouldn't be fair to my fc mates if I didn't take these precautionary measures.