Results 1 to 10 of 139

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    KrissKringle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    104
    Character
    Krystyn Eclipse
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    In fact they should. noone does, doesn't mean they should not.

    Companies have always had fun with that. there was even one who put a code to win $1000 for whoever found it im the ToS.

    When you get a job, buy an house or stuff with a contract, you should read it. when you play a game with ToS, you should read them. period.
    Studies have shown that this is not the case and that nobody should read them because by the time they would get done with them that they will be updated and would have to read them again. You literally would not be able to do anything else if you read all the license agreements and terms of service that you agree to for everything.
    (0)

  2. #2
    Player
    LilithMakyomo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    New Gridania
    Posts
    21
    Character
    Lilith Makyomo
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KrissKringle View Post
    nobody should read them because by the time they would get done with them that they will be updated and would have to read them again. You literally would not be able to do anything else if you read all the license agreements and terms of service that you agree to for everything.
    I have no idea what your speed of reading is, but I was able to read them in about 1.5 hours, and that was going back to verify some stuff. I'll make it easier for you and post the parts that prove you are not entitled to anything.

    1. YOUR LIMITED LICENSE TO THE GAME AND SERVICE AND LACK OF OWNERSHIP RIGHTS
    All aspects of the Game (including but not limited to the Game computer code, updates, patches, expansion packs, characters, character names, character data, virtual items, character profile information, (non-personal) account information, chat transcripts, artwork, plot, dialogue, locations, sounds and music) are owned by Square Enix or its licensors. You do not have any property rights in the service account you use to play the Game ("FINAL FANTASY XIV Service Account" or "FFXIV Service Account").
    (you do not own anything, disproving one of your arguments)

    4.1 FINAL FANTASY XIV Subscription Fees. In order to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game, you must agree to a recurring subscription
    (aka, you are paying for access to servers and not game time)

    5. INTERRUPTION TO THE SERVICE
    From time to time, in order to provide our customers with the optimal gaming experience, it is necessary for Square Enix to conduct routine maintenance on the computers and/or servers that support the Game. During these times, access to the Game or support services may be interrupted. Access may also be temporarily suspended in whole or in part, without notice, due to emergency repairs, fire, flood, explosion, war, strike, embargo, governmental action or failure to act, the act of any civil or military authority, act of God, or by any other causes beyond Square Enix's control, or any other reasons for which Square Enix, in its sole discretion, deems that temporary suspension is necessary. You acknowledge that disruptions of service may occur and waive any causes of action against Square Enix in any way arising from or related to any such disruptions of service.
    (they can take the servers down at any point and you have no say in the matter)

    I just spent 5 mins grazing over the user agreement. You really don't have that much time yet you can continuously post on these forums? Come on, man.
    (7)
    Last edited by LilithMakyomo; 10-27-2014 at 09:50 PM.

  3. #3
    Player
    KrissKringle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    104
    Character
    Krystyn Eclipse
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LilithMakyomo View Post
    I have no idea what your speed of reading is, but I was able to read them in about 1.5 hours, and that was going back to verify some stuff. I'll make it easier for you and post the parts that prove you are not entitled to anything.

    5. INTERRUPTION TO THE SERVICE

    From time to time, in order to provide our customers with the optimal gaming experience, it is necessary for Square Enix to conduct routine maintenance on the computers and/or servers that support the Game. During these times, access to the Game or support services may be interrupted. Access may also be temporarily suspended in whole or in part, without notice, due to emergency repairs, fire, flood, explosion, war, strike, embargo, governmental action or failure to act, the act of any civil or military authority, act of God, or by any other causes beyond Square Enix's control, or any other reasons for which Square Enix, in its sole discretion, deems that temporary suspension is necessary. You acknowledge that disruptions of service may occur and waive any causes of action against Square Enix in any way arising from or related to any such disruptions of service.
    If you read what I typed I am clearly referencing ToS and license agreements as a whole. He was arguing that everyone should always read them which is absurd. Of course you could read this one in a shorter amount of time, but that doesn't defeat the fact that one does not simply just read a license agreement. You all want to acknowledge the rules but you don't want to acknowledge reality and human behavior. Get over yourselves and your thinking you're right because you can reference a rule someone else came up with. The fact is that nobody in here can give a good reason why we shouldn't be compensated. And what's even more pathetic is all your guys' inability to understand that nobody is actually worried about the half dollar being lost, that it is merely a matter of principle. Get it? A matter of principle. Sometimes I wonder if I'm being trolled, but so many people say the same idiotic things. This is what we call "mass delusion".
    (0)

  4. #4
    Player
    LilithMakyomo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    New Gridania
    Posts
    21
    Character
    Lilith Makyomo
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KrissKringle View Post
    If you read what I typed I am clearly referencing ToS and license agreements as a whole. He was arguing that everyone should always read them which is absurd. Of course you could read this one in a shorter amount of time, but that doesn't defeat the fact that one does not simply just read a license agreement. You all want to acknowledge the rules but you don't want to acknowledge reality and human behavior. Get over yourselves and your thinking you're right because you can reference a rule someone else came up with. The fact is that nobody in here can give a good reason why we shouldn't be compensated. And what's even more pathetic is all your guys' inability to understand that nobody is actually worried about the half dollar being lost, that it is merely a matter of principle. Get it? A matter of principle. Sometimes I wonder if I'm being trolled, but so many people say the same idiotic things. This is what we call "mass delusion".
    Common sense dictates if you are paying for something repeatedly, you should read the ToS. And you shouldn't reference something you have not read, that just shows lack of understanding.

    Oh, and "reference a rule that someone came up with"? I'm pretty sure that's how every government and every company keeps things in check.

    Just a question, is this due to a busy schedule on your part and it's difficult to get on throughout the week?
    (0)

  5. #5
    Player
    KrissKringle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    104
    Character
    Krystyn Eclipse
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LilithMakyomo View Post
    Common sense dictates if you are paying for something repeatedly, you should read the ToS. And you shouldn't reference something you have not read, that just shows lack of understanding.

    Oh, and "reference a rule that someone came up with"? I'm pretty sure that's how every government and every company keeps things in check.

    Just a question, is this due to a busy schedule on your part and it's difficult to get on throughout the week?
    You are wrong, there are empirical studies that disprove this. It is a matter of ideology and principle, not merely "because".
    (0)

  6. #6
    Player
    LilithMakyomo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    New Gridania
    Posts
    21
    Character
    Lilith Makyomo
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by KrissKringle View Post
    You are wrong, there are empirical studies that disprove this. It is a matter of ideology and principle, not merely "because".
    I have referenced empirical studies as a whole, who has time to read those when I am entitled to my rights? Stop hiding behind written doctrine and ideology.

    It's a fun game to play, isn't it?
    (0)

  7. #7
    Player
    KrissKringle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    104
    Character
    Krystyn Eclipse
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LilithMakyomo View Post
    I have referenced empirical studies as a whole, who has time to read those when I am entitled to my rights? Stop hiding behind written doctrine and ideology.

    It's a fun game to play, isn't it?
    To be fair, aren't you the one hiding behind doctrine and ideology? You literally are referencing rules that have been indoctrinated into society because of an intense ideology. I am simply arguing against it by saying perhaps I should get what I pay for.
    (0)

Tags for this Thread