Red Mage - A DoM Tank Job?

[GalkaBikini]

Radicci, lol. Not once did I mention FFXI in my post, we were mostly talking about the single player games. Goodness.

Wildsprite, you are wrong. It's simple math, and if you're not good at math, then I can definitely see how you might not understand the most efficient ways to play a RDM. RDM crappy melee damage means nothing when real melee classes are auto attacking up to 5 times harder than you are. If your RDM was meleeing Nidhogg, you are not a good player or RDM. If you are meleeing as a RDM in meta-game content, you are playing poorly, end of story.

All of the above discussions matter depending on which game we're talking about, and what level on content we're talking about.

[Radacci]

Radicci, lol. Not once did I mention FFXI in my post, we were mostly talking about the single player games. Goodness.

i misquoted "not to mention this is going on while people are taking damage, and the RDM isn't healing anyone because showing off is more important to him." if you're showing off to other ppl, then i'm assuming you're talking about XI. or are you talking about showing off to your single-player companions?
other games don't matter, it's pointless to discuss their mechanics, in XIV forum; if you want to discuss RDM, do it from a XIV perspective.
From a XIV perspective, all physical DD, have about the same DPS. or isn't MNK a real melee, cause DRG hits harder? Bows are the 2nd weakest wep, in game...so i guess BRD is really shitty DD?
if they make RDM into melee DD, it will be as good as any other DD, so other games don't matter; there's no such thing as *how RDM SHOULD be played* there's just how they make it work, in XIV.

[Redgate]

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So basically you want RDM to be another WHM because you don't understand why people actually like Red Mage, and because you used Red Mage in a certain way?

Am I getting this right?

Because if that's the case, how about you just don't invite RDM to your party, and never play it if it sucks that much to you, and let me have the class I actually want?

[GalkaBikini]

I've never once said in this thread what I want for RDM. I've only reiterated what it actually has been in the series so far. But Redgate, since you asked, I'd like to see RDM be SE's vision for the class, not the player's vision. And I didn't use RDM a "certain" way. I used it the most effective way.

I've met so many hilarious red mages that just want to melee and not even cast any spells. It's amazing. If you want to be a flashy melee why not play DRG or NIN instead?

[Rosalynd]

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This was almost painful to read.

In single player games a RDM's effectiveness would revolve around how the rest of your party was built. For example in FF5 i would often have my RDM using offensive black magic and melee weapons as it tore things apart, i left the buffing and healing to the WHM and/or similar classes i was using.

From what i understand the community of XI was as cruel to RDM as the vanilla WoW community was to paladins and shaman. They were capable of doing good damage on their own but the stigma they had as buff/totem bots caused them to sit in the back row buffing/healing the raid for a month before they got bored and quit the game or their guild.

Also, if people wanted to play NIN or DRG, they would, but people wanted to play RDM and play it as they used it in previous games, a battlemage.

[GalkaBikini]

I'll say it again, it is all math. There are definitely situations in all of the Final Fantasy games where a RDM's melee can be useful, but those are not common and it will almost always be more efficient mathematically to have a RDM curing or nuking. For most of the time, meleeing with a RDM is mathematically inefficient. You cannot deny these facts. Although honestly most of the Final Fantasy games are pretty imbalanced, it's still the goal of the developer to design and balance the classes, and it's pretty obvious that SE has never wanted RDMs in any Final Fantasy to take meleeing that seriously. If SE wanted RDMs to melee as good as a real melee class, they probably would, don't you think? Which is why it is completely baffling that even after 25 years, people will still CHOOSE to be disappointed by wanting more out of RDM melee, when they could simply play a class better suited to what they are looking for.