helping bard with playing Army's Paeon

[RinchanNau]

Or your melee can learn how to manage their TP? It really isn't difficult. More optimal for raid DPS to just use foe's.

[Odd]

It was mentioned in the London Fan Fest.

They are looking into ways to do this, but they currently do not want so much bars on the UI. So I would expect it around 3.0, if at al.

I was thinking instead of a bar, just a number indicating what percentage TP they have.

[LunarEmerald]

you need more monk friends XD i get asked about TP song so many times in coil :P

Turn 8 is the only turn a monk should need paeon.

[LunarEmerald]

Even in t8 there's no reason to paeon. Unless perhaps you are running all melee + a BRD. Foe's does more for raid damage and without reducing your own.

All melee and bard needs paeon in t8 or you become tp starved. Even with optimum invig uses, you become tp starved shortly after the second dread. Or else you're playing your job very wrong.

[RinchanNau]

No one NEEDS Paeon in combat. Everyone needs to learn TP management. It is quite easy on BRD to hold back a few heavy shots when your TP is low. Your DPS will be a good bit higher than if you used paeon. And if you factor in the DPS gain your casters will receive by using Foe's instead you will understand that it makes no sense to use Paeon in combat.

You are on the same server. Feel free to run some tests with me if you have doubts.

[Black91CRX]

No one NEEDS Paeon in combat. Everyone needs to learn TP management.

With that attitude, Paeon shouldn't even exist.

[Zophar]

Honestly, the last time I can remember using paeon was way back in pre-echo t4 during the first wave, and only if there were other physical DD there AoE spamming. Don't think I've used it since.

[Leonus]

So melee dps need to manage there TP consuption.... by basically dropping their dps, to conserve tp... because no one needs paeon... Melee dps don't need it to perform optimally at all in tp starving situations. A melee dps being starved of tp is a bigger dps loss than mages not having foes.

I mean, throe us a bone every now and then... But Ok.

Luckily Ninja will take that burden off brds hands soon.

[RinchanNau]

So melee dps need to manage there TP consuption.... by basically dropping their dps, to conserve tp... because no one needs paeon... Melee dps don't need it to perform optimally at all in tp starving situations. A melee dps being starved of tp is a bigger dps loss than makes not having foes.

But Ok.

Luckily Ninja will take that burden off brds hands soon.

It's not a large drop in DPS to do things like cut out Phlebotomize when your TP is low. Seriously. T8 is what? 7 1/2 minutes? Maybe 8 max?

Are you implying that SMN shouldn't manage their MP either? They can just ruin 2 and auto attack for better DPS instead of using ruin and always fester instead of using energy drain when necessary.

I am talking about optimal raid damage. If you want to talk about feeding one's ePeen then yes, you can Paeon all you want and have less than optimal raid damage. And you can have 3 BRDs for your SMN too. One with ballad always up and 2 alternating Foe's. But again, not optimal for raid damage.

NIN's TP regen seems most useful. Wonder what the CD time is on it. As far as we know it does not decrease NIN DPS which makes it infinitely more useful than Paeon IN COMBAT.

[Leonus]

Even then tp is being consumed rapidly, at that rate we would end up having to slow down our usage of attacks considerably ( which most melee dps do anyway since we're last on the totem pole to receive just about anything party wise.)

Not a lot of melee dps ask for paeon constantly, hell half of the time we just want help to buy time until our next invigorate.

That is where I thin nin comes in, buy time for the other melee dps when invigorate is down and they are low on tp. good melee dps don't usually ask help for tp unless they know they are gonna hit rock bottom and become a detriment to the party by not being able to pull their weight.

At those times, why not throw us a bone? Everyone else drops a little in dps but the melee dps don't go from 450 dps to just over 200 from being tp starved.

Goad is a 1 minute or 2 minute recast I believe. Will more than likely be for melee dps that need some help before the next invigorate.

Goad priority will probably be:
Tanks (if they ask, especially wars) 》mnk/drg/Nin (if they can use it on themselves) 》brd.