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    All these folks upset that its a tank...

    The original Drk in Final Fantasy was a tank.

    Many MMO have drain/endrain tanks, Lineage II's best tank was basically a Dark Knight. I'm fully confident they will make drk work just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashuto View Post
    All these folks upset that its a tank...

    The original Drk in Final Fantasy was a tank.
    Dark Knight's signature ability is Darkness, which consumes their HP to deal damage. Cecil was only a tank after he became a paladin.

    It was a damage dealer in IV, X-2, and XI, as well as Tactics and Legend/Dimensions. And the remake of III (it originally was called something else).

    It actually hasn't been in very many games at all, but it was never a tank. Of course, single player games also rarely require true tanks, and the only one that ever has fit the bill is Paladin due to Cover and low HP auto-cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino View Post
    Dark Knight's signature ability is Darkness, which consumes their HP to deal damage. Cecil was only a tank after he became a paladin.
    Sorry, but no. Cecil as Dark Knight was a tank who had a burst-DPS signature move. The differences stat-wise between Cecil as DRK and Cecil as PLD were minimal. Both ways you used him in the front row so that he'd be attacked more often and take the brunt of the damage, because he was high DEF/MDEF/HP. Minus Darkness, his DPS was poor.

    Edit to add: I hope SAM is eventually introduced as a tank, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashuto View Post
    All these folks upset that its a tank...

    The original Drk in Final Fantasy was a tank.

    Many MMO have drain/endrain tanks, Lineage II's best tank was basically a Dark Knight. I'm fully confident they will make drk work just fine.
    So much this... Everyone, again are in their feelings and jumping online to complain.. Again. You can NOT play DRK. This is not FFXI guys. As much as some of you want it to be, it just isn't. For all you so called "FF purists", do your research 1st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashuto View Post
    All these folks upset that its a tank...

    The original Drk in Final Fantasy was a tank.

    Many MMO have drain/endrain tanks, Lineage II's best tank was basically a Dark Knight. I'm fully confident they will make drk work just fine.
    Lol as soon as I saw it, I knew the crying would start on the forums and won't stop for a long time.

    There's more kicking and screaming here than in a whole room full of Gremlins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashuto View Post
    The original Drk in Final Fantasy was a tank.

    Many MMO have drain/endrain tanks, Lineage II's best tank was basically a Dark Knight. I'm fully confident they will make drk work just fine.
    I'm not going to lie. I'm disappointed. There's a LOT of thematic sacrifices they'd have to do to make DRK work as a tank, and I'm not too keen on the fact they took what some of us suggested for samurai and gave it to DRK. Nevermind that a guy in heavy metal armor (DRK) should not be able to dodge worth anything while a guy in laquered/wooden armor (samurai) should since the latter is less burdened by equipment weight.

    That said, yes, Dark Avenger was Lineage II's best tank and that was basically a dark knight in everything but name (well, they did have their summonable pet panther). They did have defensive cooldowns that were in part shared between them and paladin (Majesty). There's also WoW's death knight to take into account, except that one of the main mechanics from DKs was given to warriors (active mitigation derived from one of their attacks) to help make them viable tanks in endgame content.

    With this in mind, you can't copy-paste Death Strike => Blood Shield on to DRK because WAR effectively has that mechanic. The other stuff was damage mitigation buffs (Icebound Fortitude, Bone Shield) but that still leaves a key mechanic. Full on drains have proven to not work (AKA the original reason why WARs could not tank coil when the game launched), so they'd better have something else planned to help DRK ease into the role, or we're gonna see a repeat of that whole mess.

    PS: Considering how terrible the armor for DRK in the FFTactics rerelase was, please for the love of the twelve give us an outfit based on Gafgarion's outfit from FFTactics.

    PPS: Since they're not giving it a base class (horrible implications there), does that mean I'll be able to make my retainer a DRK come expansion?
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    Last edited by Duelle; 10-26-2014 at 02:59 AM.
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