Cash shop confirmed

[AnuheaLani]

where were you guys in 1.0 when they asked for help?

Where was I? I was on XI cause XIV sucked at that time. And they lost money did they not? And now reborn came out im sure it costed allot for a reboot.

[Negotiator]

Where was I? I was on XI cause XIV sucked at that time. And they lost money did they not? And now reborn came out im sure it costed allot for a reboot.

Exactly! Some of us spent way more time and money through the crappy times to help them out to make it better and they did IMO. It's a success, do i have to post a link again??? google it. Now they want cash for old rewards when YP has given interviews justifying a subscription over f2p and cash shops. There is already merchandising for physical goodies, but more more more right? It's ok. Our constant subscription isn't enough to give us these things in game now? No word about a cash shop until a week before it goes live. btw, i don't consider anything "free" since we are already paying.

[Dwill]

Exactly! Some of us spent way more time and money through the crappy times to help them out to make it better and they did IMO. It's a success, do i have to post a link again??? google it. Now they want cash for old rewards when YP has given interviews justifying a subscription over f2p and cash shops. There is already merchandising for physical goodies, but more more more right? It's ok. Our constant subscription isn't enough to give us these things in game now? No word about a cash shop until a week before it goes live. btw, i don't consider anything "free" since we are already paying.

Do we seriously need to link the User Agreement again so that people can read what their subscription is for ?

By the way, in the exact same link that you posted:

To get as many people in the world to play the game, having it available for free is an effective method. We’d need to gauge the response and the needs of the market but we could consider free-to-play.

There are people already subscribed to the game but they still ask for us to sell them certain items. The needs of players are changing and it’s not a difference of which business model is right or wrong, but our goal is to cater to the needs of the players.

[Negotiator]

Do we seriously need to link the User Agreement again so that people can read what their subscription is for ?

y'know when I have to talk to a customer service rep, that spouts nothing but the text he's supposed to tell me? I demand a manager that can make changes.
There are also laws written very clearly, but there's always ways to overturn them. Did you know certain people didn't have rights? How did things change if they just laid down or bent over?
We might not be able to stop the cash shop, but we can be sure our dissatisfaction will be heard.

You can take the agreement, obey it and keep repeating it.

[Vhailor]

Do we seriously need to link the User Agreement again so that people can read what their subscription is for ?

By the way, in the exact same link that you posted:

In fairness, virtually every subscription has the same wording in the User Agreement. All that does is define SE's legal rights. It should rightly be considered distinct from what the "effective" subscription model implies, in comparison to the F2P / microtransaction model. What SE is doing is merging the two models in certain ways; some people are fine with that, and some people aren't.

Either way, using a document detailing our legal rights as consumers to criticize someone's view of how various MMO business models "should" work is completely asinine. The two have no bearing on each other whatsoever.

[LittleArrow]

Where was I? I was on XI cause XIV sucked at that time. And they lost money did they not? And now reborn came out im sure it costed allot for a reboot.

The point is for those who continually argue this cash shop is good for the company didn't care about that concern back in 1.0. In general, if this massive outcry to support the cash shop was there to support the game, there wouldn't have been any need for SE to reach out to their legacy members.

The game is doing well. It's brought in profits and helped the company. A full year of subscriptions have seemingly provided enough money for a full year of patch content, an expansion, and a beautiful fan festival. I'm not saying anti cash shop, but some of the arguments being made in support of it don't really follow in line with the progress of the game and attitudes of players in the past. ^^