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    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
    I swear I see someone bringing up the Calamity Savager at every page... they must be trolls at this point.
    It actually argues against the:

    "SE IS RIPPING CONTENT OUT OF THE GAME!"

    When they stated from the get go, even back during beta, that they're only bring the items back the first event rotation to allow non-1.0 players to gain the items, as it was the most requested back before the servers went offline. If they truly were taking items out of the game, it wouldn't even be on calamity salvager - so trolling? No, having your argument squashed doesn't make them a troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by khovel View Post
    The Fantasia needs to be cheaper. It made sense that they went account wide for the original setup of them, but with them being near the same price and only for 1 character.... Make them like $2-$3 per fantasia. There is no need for them to be starting at ~ $8
    It is cheaper - Most Race/Gender (actually can be separate at times!) change options in other MMOs, including F2P ones, can be $20+...each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    It is cheaper - Most Race/Gender (actually can be separate at times!) change options in other MMOs, including F2P ones, can be $20+...each.
    That's not really relevant to what he said though is it? They have made the item worse than it was before but are charging the same price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaara View Post
    That's not really relevant to what he said though is it? They have made the item worse than it was before but are charging the same price.
    Saying it could be cheaper when it already is very cheap compared to other MMOs (and you actually get more for the price than other MMOs) - SE is actually competing. In the business side of things, it's perfect because when you see someone looking at your MMO features, you look at one MMO that says: "Race Change: $17, Gender Change: $20" then the other: "Race/Gender AND Appearance Change: $8...which looks more attractive if you ever go that route?

    For the player? Of course you'd want it as cheap as possible or even free, so it only wouldn't be relevant if ARR was the only MMORPG that exists, SE is simply using competitive prices for a basic service, not to mention most of the players here did kind of beg them for purchasable Fantasias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Saying it could be cheaper when it already is very cheap compared to other MMOs (and you actually get more for the price than other MMOs) - SE is actually competing. In the business side of things, it's perfect because when you see someone looking at your MMO features, you look at one MMO that says: "Race Change: $17, Gender Change: $20" then the other: "Race/Gender AND Appearance Change: $8...which looks more attractive if you ever go that route?
    You would make a good politician, ignoring the point made completely and attempting to spin it as a positive. They took an item off of the mog station, downgraded it, and put it back up at the exact same price.

    But then you are the resident white knight, so I'll leave you to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaara View Post
    But then you are the resident white knight, so I'll leave you to it.
    Seem people still don't know what the term White Knight means - Guess it sucks that I actually know about business.

    Speaking of ignoring:

    For the player? Of course you'd want it as cheap as possible or even free, so it only wouldn't be relevant if ARR was the only MMORPG that exists, SE is simply using competitive prices for a basic service, not to mention most of the players here did kind of beg them for purchasable Fantasias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Seem people still don't know what the term White Knight means - Guess it sucks that I actually know about business.

    Speaking of ignoring:
    I believe they get what you are saying, the issue is that it's not actually relevant to the discussion at hand. No one is questioning the pricing of Fantasias as they were originally marked (the purchase that applies to all characters on an account). The topic is why the new option (only applies to a single character) is set at the same price. Basic logic dictates that if two options are set at the same price and one gives you more uses, why even offer the second option? Taking one step more, why is it ok to remove the better option from the list of choices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codek View Post
    I believe they get what you are saying, the issue is that it's not actually relevant to the discussion at hand. No one is questioning the pricing of Fantasias as they were originally marked (the purchase that applies to all characters on an account). The topic is why the new option (only applies to a single character) is set at the same price. Basic logic dictates that if two options are set at the same price and one gives you more uses, why even offer the second option? Taking one step more, why is it ok to remove the better option from the list of choices?
    From what I remember they said they offered it in batches because that was the only format they could do at the time, which is why when you bought them up you were unable to buy anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Seem people still don't know what the term White Knight means - Guess it sucks that I actually know about business.

    Speaking of ignoring:
    Maybe I was a bit harsh and I'm sorry, but you do seem to be missing the point at hand. I was happy with the original price of fantasia, and I bought one as well. However it is only usable for one character now (where as previously it was account wide, i.e pay for one fantasia and you get one for each of your created characters), yet it is the same price. It has nothing to do with other MMOs or what batches they are available in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaara View Post
    Maybe I was a bit harsh and I\\'m sorry, but you do seem to be missing the point at hand. I was happy with the original price of fantasia, and I bought one as well. However it is only usable for one character now (where as previously it was account wide, i.e pay for one fantasia and you get one for each of your created characters), yet it is the same price. It has nothing to do with other MMOs or what batches they are available in.
    On the other hand Fantasia is uncapped now and I imagine that's much more important for much more people than getting fantasia for every character (because the vast majority don't level alts and a tiny minority of that minority actually uses multiple fantasias on their alts).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    It actually argues against the:

    "SE IS RIPPING CONTENT OUT OF THE GAME!"

    When they stated from the get go, even back during beta, that they're only bring the items back the first event rotation to allow non-1.0 players to gain the items
    Except the 2.3 summer event NPC brought back the 2.0 summer event swimsuits.

    http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Moonfire_Faire_Vendor
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