How am I meant to level with a friend now?

[LuxLex]

Thats the same thing people said about FFXI... 10 Years Later'd it's still going very strong.

yeah, because the devs decided to make the game more fun when they saw people leaving the game in droves.

[Dubont]

yeah, because the devs decided to make the game more fun when they saw people leaving the game in droves.

By "fun" you mean "easy" with the release of Abyssea...and that was still...what..8 years after the game's release? Your point is invalid. Also, at least acknowledge my rebuttal to your statement about FFXIV being a longer grind than the GOOD FFXI..

[LuxLex]

By "fun" you mean "easy" with the release of Abyssea...and that was still...what..8 years after the game's release? Your point is invalid. Also, at least acknowledge my rebuttal to your statement about FFXIV being a longer grind than the GOOD FFXI..

I disagree with your assertion that grindy boring XI was "good XI."

Guess what, it is not 2002 anymore. People play games to have fun.

[Warp]

By "fun" you mean "easy" with the release of Abyssea...and that was still...what..8 years after the game's release? Your point is invalid. Also, at least acknowledge my rebuttal to your statement about FFXIV being a longer grind than the GOOD FFXI..

How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

[SuzakuCMX]

How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

FFXI had about 200k subscriptions in 2003
WoW released 2004
FFXI had 200k-300k subscriptions in 2006
FFXI had 500k subscriptions in 2008
Abyssea came out in 2010
FFXI had 250k subscriptions in mid 2010

Sure does look like they lost players left and right after WoW.

[Warp]

FFXI had about 200k subscriptions in 2003
WoW released 2004
FFXI had 200k-300k subscriptions in 2006
FFXI had 500k subscriptions in 2008
Abyssea came out in 2010
FFXI had 250k subscriptions in mid 2010

Sure does look like they lost players left and right after WoW.

Stop pulling numbers out of thin air. You can check the number of ACTIVE characters, not accounts on FFXIAH... and it's well under 500k.

[SuzakuCMX]

Stop pulling numbers out of thin air. You can check the number of ACTIVE characters, not accounts on FFXIAH... and it's well under 500k.

Subscriptions =/= number of accounts.

I agree, 250k is well under 500k. They had 500k in 2008, 4 years after WoW came out, the most subscriptions they ever had. SE said this themselves.

And they aren't out of thin air, a quick checking of Wikipedia citations and google gives you those numbers.

[Dubont]

Stop pulling numbers out of thin air. You can check the number of ACTIVE characters, not accounts on FFXIAH... and it's well under 500k.

lol FFXIAH only marks people as active if they have made a transaction in the past 30 days and it only records transactions if you have signed up on the site because it has to link the site information with your character information via buying a crystal from the AH server, which the site records. What does this mean? This means that it doesn't record those that are not registered with the site. Also, there is no way to view EVERY active member in the game by using FFXIAH because it will only display 100 results at a time. The only way would be to continuously click next until it wouldn't go any further...that's a lot of clicks.

[Warp]

lol FFXIAH only marks people as active if they have made a transaction in the past 30 days and it only records transactions if you have signed up on the site because it has to link the site information with your character information via buying a crystal from the AH server, which the site records. What does this mean? This means that it doesn't record those that are not registered with the site. Also, there is no way to view EVERY active member in the game by using FFXIAH because it will only display 100 results at a time. The only way would be to continuously click next until it wouldn't go any further...that's a lot of clicks.

You have no idea how FFXIAH collects it's data. You don't have to sign up at all. It reads the auction house records for EVERYTHING and keeps track of it.

[Dubont]

How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

his point is invalid because he is a troll that knows absolutely nothing about what he speaks of. The same goes for you, honestly.