A public test server is needed now more than ever.

[Seoki]

See that's the thing, if there is going to be a public server, please, do whatever you can to only let those who understand the term "Balance" and don't see every change as a "nerf" It's horrible to see these people complain with no knowledge of why these changes have to be done. But yes a test server is needed, but it should be sign up only.

TL;dr- Make it a sign up test server. Only people who get in are those with a brain.

[Eunys]

PTR's do not work. Look at Warcraft not one content patch ever goes smooth. all people do on PTR's is play with things they don't have on live servers or try to get a head start on content so that when it goes live they can blast through it. Plus the biggest problem with PTR's is people do nothing but make useless tickets or forum threads about "OMG you nerfed me" or "I think such and such should be this way or that".

In short players are stupid when it comes to what they really want, also people don't use PTR's for that they are there for just wasting Dev's time reading page after page of trash diverting their attention from matters at hand.

[Neptune]

It would be a world of a difference.

[kukurumei]

In short players are stupid when it comes to what they really want, also people don't use PTR's for that they are there for just wasting Dev's time reading page after page of trash diverting their attention from matters at hand.

No they just think about their own greed, "wouldn't it be great if I have 50% mo hp then every else, wouldn't it be great if this l33t gear drops 100%, etc"

This is the same thing.

[Ilean]

PTR's do not work. Look at Warcraft not one content patch ever goes smooth. all people do on PTR's is play with things they don't have on live servers or try to get a head start on content so that when it goes live they can blast through it. Plus the biggest problem with PTR's is people do nothing but make useless tickets or forum threads about "OMG you nerfed me" or "I think such and such should be this way or that".

In short players are stupid when it comes to what they really want, also people don't use PTR's for that they are there for just wasting Dev's time reading page after page of trash diverting their attention from matters at hand.

a) what do you care how others play?

b) those opinions you hate so much is exactly what is needed BEFORE a patch hits so they can correct their badly thought amateurish game changes as much and fast and possible instead of having to wait for another of their ridiculous 3 month dev cycles.

c) just because you disagree and call their opinion 'greed' it doesn't make it less valid. It's better to have contradicting feedback from every single player than none at all.

d) they are already listening to us, except they take 3 months to actually do something.

[Wolfie]

PTR's do not work. Look at Warcraft not one content patch ever goes smooth. all people do on PTR's is play with things they don't have on live servers or try to get a head start on content so that when it goes live they can blast through it. Plus the biggest problem with PTR's is people do nothing but make useless tickets or forum threads about "OMG you nerfed me" or "I think such and such should be this way or that".

In short players are stupid when it comes to what they really want, also people don't use PTR's for that they are there for just wasting Dev's time reading page after page of trash diverting their attention from matters at hand.

I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. Their patches for live servers not going smooth is not related at all to the content of the patches. The role of a PTR/PTS is to test the patch content for bugs, imbalances, and to figure out what tweaks need to be done -- not to figure out what's causing patching live servers to go so poorly.

The "useless" tickets aren't useless at all, because when they're in such large volume, the devs can notice the trends. Take for example what's happening now with the raids and the 3 favored classes, CON, GLA and ARC. Every class that isn't those would be whining, and rightfully so. Smart developers would notice that trend and realize, "hey, maybe the battles in the raid are too one sided" or "maybe we overdid our nerfs for those other classes."

People are going to whine about balance regardless; it's better if they do it on PTRs so that the balance problems are fixed before the patch goes live and the dev team moves on to the next big thing.

[Holy-Mary]

Get over it !!! These changes were made because the majority of the players asked for it !
If you are not part of this majority ..then it sux to be you ~

Right now i'm really happy about the Patch, we have finally some "challenge" , a little bit of strategy and Group party are now the BEST way to win fast SP.

That is everything i asked for ....and guess what..i was not the only one !!

[Wolfie]

Get over it !!! These changes were made because the majority of the players asked for it !
If you are not part of this majority ..then it sux to be you ~

Right now i'm really happy about the Patch, we have finally some "challenge" , a little bit of strategy and Group party are now the BEST way to win fast SP.

That is everything i asked for ....and guess what..i was not the only one !!

What does this have to do with anything? I wasn't complaining that I don't like X change, I'm saying that content should be polished before it hits the live servers. And it clearly isn't.

[Holy-Mary]

What does this have to do with anything? I wasn't complaining that I don't like X change, I'm saying that content should be polished before it hits the live servers. And it clearly isn't.

Eeew sorry wrong thread , just noticed O_O

[Jynx]

Public test servers are redundant and useless for following reasons.

1. Every server is a test server right now
2. People will complain about lack of polish no matter the state of testing
3. changes to game code on a test server don't always reflect the same in full release
4. Some people like to be the first to make a good strategy and be rewarded. Not play it on the public test realm until you have it down to a science for the public release
5. People hate change and this wont stop complaints.
6. This wont help developers "Balance" anything any faster than they are now
7. Other reasons I could go on forever.

Public test realms are in my opinion nothing but giant spoilers, they serve no purpose whatsoever other than to let a select peice of the population in on content others don't get to experience for a few more weeks.

Hell I'd rather play content with a few bugs than have it held back from me so people can whine about how easy "_____" Content is or how badly nerfed "____" Job was. Before I even get a chance to test the changes myself.

Just because WoW does it, doesn't mean it's a great idea.