Very conflicted about the cash shop...

[SpookyGhost]

The irony of this statement is there's people who pay the $10-$16+ a month and only utilize a fraction of the game's content that does exist...plenty who've yet to even touch Second Coil. Losing out on vanity items doesn't suddenly negate 99% of the game you do have access to with your sub fee.

It literally negates 99% of the crafts available to every DoH except CUL, and each patch those high end crafts will be moved to vanity. It also negates the point of doing Treasure Maps entirely, which was one of the few fun things I did in this game over the past 2 months. On top of this, since apparently SCoB is important to you, imagine if they charged you 10$ extra to play that content every week - after all, it doesn't negate 99% of the game you do have access to with your sub fee, it is only a fraction of the entire game, yet now it costs a fee to do. You should be more than happy to pay for the privilege to access a raid in a game you're already paying monthly for, no? Oh, does that sound... unreasonable, maybe? Yeah, it is a bit dumb to pay for things you should already be able to do/obtain in the game. Oh, but because it's something you don't care about personally, it should be fine for everyone that it be removed from the game and sold separately. Mmmmmmm.

[Tupsi]

It literally negates 99% of the crafts available to every DoH except CUL

Dungeon drops in level 15-49 dungeons does this already - CT/ST and Coil does this already. Solidery, Mythology and Allied Seal gear does this already. The only benefit crafted gear has is if you have the money and time to overmeld pieces when..instead, you can just do the content

So no..it doesn't negate anything that the game doesn't already negate by design.

since apparently SCoB is important to you, imagine if they charged you 10$ extra to play that content every week

This analogy Does. Not. Work. because that's called Freemium model.

[vientown]

This analogy Does. Not. Work. because that's called Freemium model.

The analogy literally does work, they are charging you an extra $10 for things you don't need and instead want. Your arbitrary definitions of importance aren't relevant.

[ZReport]

The analogy literally does work, they are charging you an extra $10 for things you don't need and instead want. Your arbitrary definitions of importance aren't relevant.

The argument, while sound, will never reach people's ears. This is because many people are inherently selfish and feel they are owed everything in game for "free" as per their subscription fee.

Overall, this is Square-Enix's game, and they can revoke membership from whoever they please, with or without reason. In the same token, they are obligated to sell any proprietary in-game assets they deem worthy of selling.

[vientown]

The argument, while sound, will never reach people's ears. This is because many people are inherently selfish and feel they are owed everything in game for "free" as per their subscription fee.

Overall, this is Square-Enix's game, and they can revoke membership from whoever they please, with or without reason. In the same token, they are obligated to sell any proprietary in-game assets they deem worthy of selling.

They're not 'selfish' and they don't feel owed, they are unhappy with the new terms of their subscription when their previous subscription was all-encompassing. Now they will drop the game and leave you kiddies dancing in a circle excited about paying $20 for a model that's been in the game since 2.0

"How would you feel" scenarios are irrelevant if their probability of happening lies within the real of statistical impossibilities.

Hahaha, this is a hilarious derailing tactic that I always love to see. Not really, they're irrelevant if they're outwith the realm of feeling, they are there to provoke a feeling, thereby aligning your sympathies with his cause. In any case THIS is genuinely irrelevant as he offered a new analogy. Stop trying to find ways to ignore a person providing rational argument.

[Hurlstone]

Must we really fall into mindless name calling and other such obscenities, rather then try and keep the debate civil? Why must there be so much venom and unbound anger?

[HulveinBlitz]

Must we really fall into mindless name calling and other such obscenities, rather then try and keep the debate civil? Why must there be so much venom and unbound anger?

Because this is the internet.

[Dwill]

Hahaha, this is a hilarious derailing tactic that I always love to see. Not really, they're irrelevant if they're outwith the realm of feeling, they are there to provoke a feeling, thereby aligning your sympathies with his cause. In any case THIS is genuinely irrelevant as he offered a new analogy. Stop trying to find ways to ignore a person providing rational argument.

You not liking the argument doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything, you trying to garnish sympathies to your cause by using an improbable scenario just make you seem like you actually have no sane arguments. People know your made up scenario isn't happening and they don't have to feel anything for you and rightly so.

But it should.

It shouldn't. Not everything is free nor is anything made for everyone to have, no matter the want for it. Developing content costs money and people buying certain items from a cash shop can easily increase development funding for content that is outside of it. If anything, it will be good for the health of the game.

Edit:

Ummm... says who? And on what authority?

And let me ask you this... All the people who create this content in the first place are being paid. Where do you think the money to pay them is coming from?

Here's a hint: They're already paying a monthly sub.

We have already paid them to create this content - months and months ago in the case of the halloween pumpkin hats. The money they get from us, at least in part, goes toward continuing development of the game - including the creation of content, items, etc. That content includes the Sleipnir mount, the minions, etc. Those people are paid to create that content, with the money we are paying them through our subscriptions. We already have, and continue to pay for it. Every month.

Yet they're asking us to pay for it... again.

Now, maybe where you come from, it's customary to charge someone again for something they already paid for. And maybe you're a-okay with that. Where I come from, though, that's called double-dipping, and it's not ok.

Beyond the blind fanboy-grade devotion to any and every decision Yoshi-P makes which pervades these forums, I have no idea how people can be "okay" with this. But here you people are, lined up to defend it.

Unreal.

Says Square Enix via the User Agreement you agreed to (Read the huge letters):

4.1 FINAL FANTASY XIV Subscription Fees. In order to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game, you must agree to a recurring subscription ("Subscription") with a minimum subscription term of 30 days, and pay a recurring subscription fee ("FFXIV Subscription Fee"). Square Enix may offer different subscription plans in its sole discretion. Further, Square Enix may offer you the chance to purchase additional features for your FFXIV Service Account, which we call "Add-ons" or "Options." Add-ons may be subject to either additional recurring fees or one-time fees. A "Recurring Fee" is a fee that will be charged on a recurring basis until you terminate your subscription. A "One-Time Fee" is fee that is only charged once. All fee rates will be posted at http://sqex.to/ffxiv.na.fees and any changes to Recurring Fee rates will be posted with 30 days' advance notice and notice will be provided to the Game community. Square Enix may change fee rates at any time in its sole discretion, and will use reasonable efforts to notify you at least 30 days in advance of any changes to any Recurring Fees. All FFXIV Subscription Fees are billed in advance. All FFXIV Subscription Fees are non-refundable, with the limited exception in Section 4.7 below.

[Jaybot]

You not liking the argument doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything, you trying to garnish sympathies to your cause by using an improbable scenario just make you seem like you actually have no sane arguments. People know your made up scenario isn't happening and they don't have to feel anything for you and rightly so.



It shouldn't. Not everything is free nor is anything made for everyone to have, no matter the want for it. Developing content costs money and people buying certain items from a cash shop can easily increase development funding for content that is outside of it. If anything, it will be good for the health of the game.

Edit:

Of course development costs money. That is why we're paying monthly for it.

[Tupsi]

The analogy literally does work, they are charging you an extra $10 for things you don't need and instead want. Your arbitrary definitions of importance aren't relevant.

No it doesn't - Locking content behind a paywall is already a concept of MMORPGs - It's called, once again, Freemium. You can access x amount of the game for free then you have to pay a sub or pay for x content package. So as much as YOU want it to work, it doesn't work when that concept is an entirely different style of MMORPG, especially if the LOGIC you continue to use is: "paying for what you want", I pay a sub to access the game .. you do...remember your sub is mainly to access the game, right? Read the terms some times.

They wouldn't be charging you $10 to access playable content in a P2P model. Get over it and stop it with that strawman argument.

Not sure how you can argue that DLC is yanking items from the game to resell to you and a cash shop isn't.

Mounts and Minions doesn't prevent you from a full game experience unless you buy the DLC. You do realize in this day and age of games most of the DLC are usually filling in gaps most of the time rather than expanding the game? Unless you can provide an argument that Odin's horse prevents you from accessing more of the game, you'll be correct.