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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Bring war drum back and drop Circle of Scorn or some other similar silly skill (cover is also silly.)
    How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

    War Drum 1.0:
    Delivers a melee attack with your shield to nearby enemies. Generates massive enmity. Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
    TP: 500 / Recast Time: 60sec
    No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.

    War Drum 2.0:
    Delivers a melee attack with your shield to nearby enemies with a potency of 100 (or 120 if not massive enmity)
    Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
    Addtional Effect: Increased massive enmity.
    Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
    TP: 130
    Recast (on the global cooldown.)
    You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

    No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.

    You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.
    War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheodoreMcIntyre View Post
    War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0
    That doesn't mean it's a good skill, or one people would use in this entirely different game. Especially if we are losing actual good skills like Circle of Scorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

    No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheodoreMcIntyre View Post
    War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0
    What TheodoreMeIntyre said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.
    The "2.0 version" i suggested requires the Job PLD to have blocked an attack to be able to use it, which would work in conjunction with flash and bulwark (which flash adds blind, and bulwark increases block rate chance) thus leading to more War Drum procs.

    (AKA, making paladin much more fun without being too much like Warrior, and having the skills work more inconjuction. I also would like to keep shield swipe but have it off the global cooldown. If i can have both shield swipe and war drum i'd like to keep CoS, Cover and drop shield swipe for war drum.)

    When War Drum is proc'ed youre given the opportunity to generate,

    either:

    1. Massive threat
    or
    2. 120 potency of damage+regular enmity gain

    (Basically trying to give SE options so they cant simply say "this isnt a skill that would fit in the balance with ARR" when the second option is literally a skill exactly like overpower but needed to proc after blocking an attack. )

    Thus making War Drum feel different from Overpower but work exactly like it. So to say Circle of Scorn is better than overpower (since you said CoS>War Drum) is quite very inaccurate.

    (I think you might have misunderstood my request. The war drum would either do 100 potency damage but generate more enmity than say flash, or would deal more damage [equal to overpower] with a general enmity gain if the "massive enmity gain" is too "powerful." I personally would like it to deal 100 potency damage with a greater enmity gain so it doesnt feel too much like overpower.)
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    Last edited by Daniolaut; 10-19-2014 at 12:20 PM.

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