Do NOT make the same mistake as FFXI.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Of course it's unbalanced, they've removed the stamina bar, the pace of battle has drastically slowed down. The patch for the battle fixes were released far too early, it's so incomplete that more than half the player base has noticed. And it's not just conjurers 'whining about their mp'.
It's like if anyone around here opens their mouth about Conjurers, they automatically assume it's mp related.
The reason there are so many Cons required now is A) yes, mp is kind of an issue especially with inadequate tanks/hate holding not working/increased damage over all etc. And B) Thaumaturges are no longer healers, at all, period. This is in my opinion, a disgrace! The whole addition of Curaga and Curaga II and making them Conjurer only has pigeon holed Conjurers into main-healing positions.

The uniqueness of these classes has been abolished, I haven't heard one thing about Pugs as tanks anymore. Has that been killed as well due to the speed of battle + hate adjustments? What liked about Tanaka's design was it allowed for the Gladiator to do DD as well as tank, and for the pug as well, and even archers as OP as they were could handle themselves alright, as could most other classes when played correctly.

I appreciate the focus being put on group play, but from early days of this patch all I can see is more of XI that I absolutely hated.

[Kazimir]

It's more a problem with the bosses themselves, it was the same in XI. Some things were created to be more resistant to specific attacks and other things were made harder by using melee or magic. Their direction with the classes seem to be fine but if they want to create a monster that has good attacks for up-close melee they need to give the same monster an equally strong attack for the ranged/magic classes.

[Physic]

Of course it's unbalanced, they've removed the stamina bar, the pace of battle has drastically slowed down. The patch for the battle fixes were released far too early, it's so incomplete that more than half the player base has noticed. And it's not just conjurers 'whining about their mp'.
It's like if anyone around here opens their mouth about Conjurers, they automatically assume it's mp related.
The reason there are so many Cons required now is A) yes, mp is kind of an issue especially with inadequate tanks/hate holding not working/increased damage over all etc. And B) Thaumaturges are no longer healers, at all, period. This is in my opinion, a disgrace! The whole addition of Curaga and Curaga II and making them Conjurer only has pigeon holed Conjurers into main-healing positions.

The uniqueness of these classes has been abolished, I haven't heard one thing about Pugs as tanks anymore. Has that been killed as well due to the speed of battle + hate adjustments? What liked about Tanaka's design was it allowed for the Gladiator to do DD as well as tank, and for the pug as well, and even archers as OP as they were could handle themselves alright, as could most other classes when played correctly.

I appreciate the focus being put on group play, but from early days of this patch all I can see is more of XI that I absolutely hated.

they kill pug tanks by making thier main defense ability only able to be active for 1/3 of the time. Not to mention with high mana costs, people would probably rather take the guaranteed reduction over the evasion gamble of a pugilist, not that its even an option any more,
1/3rd of the time tank only, AND it cost MP, so no good in long fights, and takes away from the resource that is now the goldmine of the game.

[Physic]

It's more a problem with the bosses themselves, it was the same in XI. Some things were created to be more resistant to specific attacks and other things were made harder by using melee or magic. Their direction with the classes seem to be fine but if they want to create a monster that has good attacks for up-close melee they need to give the same monster an equally strong attack for the ranged/magic classes.

i also think altering the bosses would help, however, unless the ranged skill is aoe and long range donut, your still better off in general with ranged classes spread out, because the monster can still only target one player at a time. They have to get way more creative with bosses than simply AOE smashes in a small range.

[MeowyWowie]

People just resort to the least common denominator (Ranged classes.) The same thing happened when the r50 NMs came out. Sure, the content still needs much more balancing, but players also need to grow some balls and stop pigeonholing players into specific roles. It's hard, sure, but not impossible. I for one am loving the challenge.

[Neptune]

This is a great example of how raising the MP costs of cures affects not only mages, but every other melee class besides Gladiator. With that one change now so many thousands of people are going to be left out.

MAGE STRIKE 2011.

[Physic]

People just resort to the least common denominator (Ranged classes.) The same thing happened when the r50 NMs came out. Sure, the content still needs much more balancing, but players also need to grow some balls and stop pigeonholing players into specific roles. It's hard, sure, but not impossible. I for one am loving the challenge.

in heavy party content only people in dedicated groups will be allowed to do the events as something other than optimal. lets not kid ourselves, making some jobs comparatively ineffective means by and large, the community wont use them as much.

[MeowyWowie]

in heavy party content only people in dedicated groups will be allowed to do the events as something other than optimal. lets not kid ourselves, making some jobs comparatively ineffective means by and large, the community wont use them as much.

They're not "ineffective" they just require more strategy. Timing, positioning, reaction speeds, all play a large roll. You just have to think.

[Warp]

in heavy party content only people in dedicated groups will be allowed to do the events as something other than optimal. lets not kid ourselves, making some jobs comparatively ineffective means by and large, the community wont use them as much.

This is exactly what happened for eight years in FFXI, until Abyssea.

[Wolfie]

Some of these balance problems and small tweak problems that cropped up with 1.18 are kind of disheartening. I'd REALLY like to see a public test server so that SE can properly balance and tweak content before it shows up on live servers.