ABC Scholar Anyone?

[Vena_Sera]

There's a certain point where SCH DPS is negligible.

So, no. It's not always necessary.

Since when is an extra `150-200 dps negligible?

[Cynfael]

Since when is an extra `150-200 dps negligible?

I'm not sure what's being said there, either, but the only thing that comes to mind is when the party DPS is so excessive at points where phase control is vital that the SCH has to lay off DPS.

My static had this issue briefly in T7, but once we got used to gauging everyone's damage output and putting on the brakes in time to prevent unwanted phase changes, it wasn't necessary to pull any punches.

[Tranquil]

Yeah, I think Mjytresz meant that when you're steamrolling everything, that extra damage can be "unnecessary", though it certainly never is negligible and you should always minmax when possible.

240+ DPS in T6-8 and 200+ in T9 (with single-BRD Foe Requiems) while managing one's single-target healing normally and supplementing AOE-heals when need be is hardly negligible. That is, if no one messes up, which results in less babysitting and patching up. Realistically, you'll need to patch up a bit each run - which as a healer you should be doing with your priorities and that brings your numbers down a tad depending on how much people faceroll. Alternatively, you could let the WHM soloheal a bit (more than just the "Embrace-spam + Regen + Cure 1" -cruise control phases), which sort of defeats the whole purpose of artfully balancing one's duties, but can be done if the WHM is decent or better.

[Sanguisio]

This is kinda true but at times not.

In dungeons yes ABC, if not healing dps etc

However in some content like Coil, the phase progression needs to be controlled and sometimes there isnt healing to be done so you will spend some of you time just standing there; stoneskin if you know you won't need the mana later but you dont necessarily need to ABC all the time.

[Kiri_Tqnikaze]

I actually never intended on being a healer of any sort. I main a Warrior and love tanking, but recently decided that I should have a dps class just to be flexible...welp, Summoner looked pretty sexy to me and I started leveling Arcanist. Before I reached 30, one of my FC mates let me know about how you can level Summoner and Scholar at the same time.
Since healers get qued much faster, I figured "Eh, why not?"
I LOVE MY SCHOLAR.
"Here, let me heal the tank, throw out some helpful DoT deeps, and just be awesome in general."
And I've dealt with tanks and dps telling me to only heal and I promptly tell them "Do you wanna level quicker/grind for gear quicker? THEN LET ME BE AWESOME." If I wasn't meant to drop some mad DoTs, then why would SCH/ACN have access to heals AND deeps?
It's like when people get on me for dropping burst deeps as a Warrior...Are you kidding me? Please learn about the class IN FULL before making retarded suggestions. I mean, that's just how I feel.

[Thistledown]

It's easier said than done with my case. I always forget to turn my Cleric's Stance on before I cast DoTs

So I put CS right next to my heals now, hopefully I'll be quicker.

Also, the delay in CS being exactly 2 gcd is a good reminder to me too. If I can cast bio 2-bio(/miasma), then I SHOULD be able to have my CS on too!!

[erkhardt]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you have the skills, use em, amirite?

I just started SCH, coming from WHM, and I am never standing still. Monk was my main, so I place emphasis on mobility anyway no matter the class. It drives me up the wall when my PUG WHM is just sniffing roses in a corner somewhere (happened last night in Haukke matter-of-fact). Having healed in WoW gave me more experience in that respect, but this game IS different.

SCH is a waaaaay different animal than WHM to me it seems. I love the DoT's (I really need to work on my hotbars for the fairies, I feel sub-par not micro-managing them even at lvl 30, I'll do it tonight) and I throw them around and Bane those puppies all the time. I don't have Cleric Stance just yet, I chose Stoneskin, Protect, and Swiftcast to start. CS will come next slot unlock.

Researching fairy skill sets though, I am thinking of using Selene outside of boss battles on trash, the Spell Speed buff looks sweet! Faster DoT's! Can anyone tell me, is the buff noticeable? Conversely, if I use the skill buff instead for my non-casting dps, is that noticeable also? I want to use less Sic and more Obey, the fairies seem to have alot of utility and SCH CD's on their own seem MIA.

[Cynfael]

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Two cents:

Selene is extremely useless in low-level play. She gets the limelight in high-level play because her buff is highly desirable to SS-stacking BLMs and will boost overall raid DPS slightly, while Eos' extra AoE healing and defensive buffs are rarely needed or valued. Selene's buffs boost your skill/spell speed stats by 30% (i.e. you don't actually cast 30% faster) which is almost totally irrelevant for DoT-heavy DPS and healing.

Never, ever, ever allow Eos to run wild. She'll waste her CDs left and right.

Selene can be set on autopilot, but you can get the absolute best performance by learning to micromanage her.

CS is worth slotting before Stoneskin. It's actually worth slotting before Protect, but most who don't play SCH will whine if they don't get Prot in their lvl 15 Sastasha run.

[erkhardt]

Nice, I did refit my hotbars to micromanage both fairies (I'm on PS3). 3 commendations right after I did it; doing something right! SCH is hella fun! I tried out Selene to get a feel for her on a lower dungeon run, yeah, the buff is not very noticeable. I use SS a lot in keeping with SCH damage mitigation, I don't feel that CS is a must at this point as my mind and int are very close at this early stage. Later on though, with healer specced gear, I can see CS coming more into play. WHM was mind all the way, as their focus from square one is healing. Each fairy has their own hotbar, they both have Place and Heel. The third has the stuff I use less often (resurrect, protect, the summons themselves, and obey used right after). When I have a fairy out, I am able to stay on their hotbar, more or less. Placing them seems to speed up their Embrace considerably, my guess is because they are not moving around with me all the time. I'm loving the high skill ceiling for this class, it's refreshing! Thanks for the input!

[Cynfael]

One of the reasons CS is so useful is that it not only flip-flops your MND and INT, but it also grants a % damage increase on top of that. At high levels this is huge since you will hit more than twice as hard (and heal for less than half as much) with CS enabled. You won't ruin anyone's low-level dungeon by not using it, but the difference is significant even when your MND isn't more than 2x your INT.

I don't play on the consoles, but see if you can work that macro that changes your hotbar slots depending on which fairy you summon. It's a huge convenience.

Glad you're having fun SCH was my first class and is still my main since I started oh so long ago (er in May) :P