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  1. #1081
    Player
    Artiste's Avatar
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    Sonata Priam
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Odd View Post
    That particular boss waits outside of the sealed barrier until you kill all the right mobs first. I think it's the monkeys. I know I saw this happen when I had a party skip the first set of 3 mobs. I told them we had to kill them, they said no we don't. Then when we killed the two monkey's on the bridge, the gorilla stayed outside, he didn't run in like he normally does. He was invulnerable to our attacks, but would attack us if we approached him. Went to the start and killed the first pack, then when we got back to the boss he was where he should be, waiting to fight us.
    That's not exactly what I got.
    If you dont kill the smells monkey's before, he stay there, and block you the pass.

    But what I got is, during the last pack of monsters with the 2 smalls monkeys, he came, and attack me, like it was is normal boss's room of fight, he did basic attack that hurt me hard, and we where all so surprise to see him there, we didn't know what to do.
    I tried to run away but I cant tank a boss for more then 2-3 attacks.
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  2. #1082
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldAres View Post
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    /Hug, i think you need it . I cant quite fathom these kind of tanks when you get them in DF. Overly ambitious pull (usually no defensive cooldowns used), hesitating as to where to put all the mobs, aggro everywhere, wipe........tank thinks (hmm, you know what went wrong in that pull......nothing, lets do it exactly the same again). Had a similar experience in Stone Vigil the other day, tank pulled first two packs of mobs (an entire 6 mobs!). Didnt use a single cooldown, dropped to 1/3 health in a heartbeat, first heal took 3 mobs off him on to me.. We all wipe, tanks reponse was "smaller pulls maybe for the healer?". Many tanks it seem to forget that their job has 2 distinct parts to it; 1) Hold aggro on mobs, 2) Mitigate as much damage to themselvesas possible.
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  3. #1083
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artiste View Post
    That's not exactly what I got.
    If you dont kill the smells monkey's before, he stay there, and block you the pass.

    But what I got is, during the last pack of monsters with the 2 smalls monkeys, he came, and attack me, like it was is normal boss's room of fight, he did basic attack that hurt me hard, and we where all so surprise to see him there, we didn't know what to do.
    I tried to run away but I cant tank a boss for more then 2-3 attacks.
    Sounds similar to the old Haukke Manor Story dungeon glitch. In the last cutscene before the boss, it was possible for pets to aggro the boss and pull her out of the room. Sometimesyou would exit the cutscene and find the boss busy killing everyone in the party! Those were the days, Haukke Manor and glitchy pet AI. .
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  4. #1084
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    EmeraldAres's Avatar
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
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    Exactly. I get the impression that some of these people are either used to premade groups that make the speed pull process absolutely painless, or are trying to imitate tanks who speed run properly without understanding that it requires proper cooldown use, positioning, and immediate cooperation from the other three members. If someone tries to do this with people they don't know without even saying anything, they're just asking for trouble. It's a little more expected in Brayflox HM, but even there it can happen.
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  5. #1085
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    Magus Sinspotter
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldAres View Post
    Exactly. I get the impression that some of these people are either used to premade groups that make the speed pull process absolutely painless, or are trying to imitate tanks who speed run properly without understanding that it requires proper cooldown use, positioning, and immediate cooperation from the other three members. If someone tries to do this with people they don't know without even saying anything, they're just asking for trouble. It's a little more expected in Brayflox HM, but even there it can happen.
    I can only imagine that this is the case. i've had those...

    My contribution is in Wandering Palace, tank decides to pull up to the room at the top of the stairs. Fine, then as soon as I start casting my Adlo he takes off running again, taking the next 2 groups. Okay. I can lustrate. Then he runs around the next corner taking the mobs in the room and hiding from my heals. 2nd attempt, he pulls everything up to the boss. he has almost no health left when he stops at the end, I can only lustrate because he's losing health at such an atrocious rate that only spamming lustrate is keeping him alive. Of course that doesn't work and we wipe. 3rd time, he does the exact same thing except I get enmity on the mobs due to the lustrates get killed again, another wipe. I leave right there. I should have said something about pulling less or using CDs but I was stuck on that I had been able to heal this before no problems and i ragequit.

    I don't know what it is, but that has been happening an inordinate amount of times where i'm just starting my heals and the tank decides he needs to run with the pack of mobs around a corner. A better illustration of what i'm talking about is in the Lost city of Amdapor, the last trash pull the tank grabs everything and holds for a little bit. He is taking a lot of damage, but nothing I can't heal through, except then he starts running back up the stairs, interrupting my heal because he is no longer in line of sight. I run up the stairs, lustrate 2x, get aggro, get killed. While I didn't get yelled at or anything, i've been dealing with this. Why the running?
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  6. #1086
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    EmeraldAres's Avatar
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfire8974 View Post
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    That's another pet peeve of mine, unnecessary movement. I don't mean moving out of aoes or going to pick up loose enemies when provoke is down, but things like spin tanking mobs for no reason or suddenly darting out of range or behind an object to interrupt/prevent the healer from healing. I realize that most of this sporadic movement isn't intentional griefing, but it's very annoying. I recently leveled DRG, and my number one annoyance was tanks who kept turning the mob for no reason while I was trying to heavy thrust, resulting in having to do it 3-5 times before getting the buff... and of course, there's no worse feeling in the world than your tank or another party member going down because the injured party unconsciously darted around a corner or ran out of range from the offending mob like a headless chicken.
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  7. #1087
    Player Rex's Avatar
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    Rex Xylon
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 90
    The other night my friend was leveling PLD so I hopped in his party as WHM to help him out...and we went into Dzemael Darkhold with a new BLM and a new DRG. Now, I have no issue with new players. I enjoy giving them pointers. I do my best to throw in like 5 smileys to make sure they don't think I'm trying to be a jerk.


    Now for the horror story...the DRG continuously attacked what the PLD was NOT attacking....even ignoring number tags. And then he'd pull things that we weren't fighting...since they were all new, we were trying to NOT pull the whole world...

    After giving him pointers, like "Try to keep on the same mob as the tank" and "Once both gauges are up, use LB2 on boss" I get the "Dude I get it" response, and he continues to not do any of that...and we wipe because he's taking too much damage because not only is he not fighting what the tank is fighting, he doesn't have proper gear. I'm too busy trying to heal him and raise him while keeping the tank up, and we wipe on last boss because he just wasn't quick enough on his feet. And for some reason either ignored "LB!" or doesn't know what it means. Not to mention, whenever he'd take any damage on any of the bosses in there, he would run away and not attack anymore until he was topped off. Even if he got hit once, because 3 hits and he was dead. Seriously. Not to mention he just kept dying to aoes. I don't care how good of a healer anyone can be...you can't help someone who instantly does to aoes from full health. I wasted so much MP raising that kid. And the fact that he wouldn't attack...I would throw Aero and such on the boss to try to get some damage going...since the fights would last much longer than they needed to and I was running out of mp raising this kid. Yikes.

    So my pet peeve is when I give friendly pointers to new players and they respond with things that basically say "Shove it" and ignore me...and ultimately cause issues in the group.

    Another time I had a tank in Aurum Vale who refused to use flash, saying it was useless. He was an undergeared pld, at the time I was at least an i90 drg...so I was taking hate...so I told him why it WASN'T useless, and he flipped out and said "You're not a tank, don't tell me how to tank" And I was like "I'm all maxed out on jobs actually...I've played each role..just trying to help you out." And then he sat at the entrance for 30 minutes. (This was before the vote kick)

    I have a lotttt of stories.
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    Last edited by Rex; 10-09-2014 at 03:01 AM.

  8. #1088
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 100
    This next story I have to speak for a healer I was paired up with in our AV run and as a fellow healer, I sympathize with her. I was leveling BLM and did an AV run in the DF. We had this idiot/troll DRG who'd purposely go AFK in the majority of the fights with the trash mobs, making the fights take way freaking longer than they needed to. Healer had to spam macro sound effects just to get the DRG moving. The DRG's reason for constantly going ninja AFK? "lol sorry im looking up stuff for time cards". Said DRG would then start pulling mobs before the tank could do it and would also pull mobs while the tank was busy engaging other mobs first. Why did the DRG do this? "lol i need the XP"


    We wiped more than once and the tank could not keep hate because of the DRG's shenanigans. Eventually, our healer decided to leave the DRG dead at one point and then I called for a vote kick. DRG is booted....and then he comes right back in -_- We still managed to clear the dungeon, but I wanted to rage quit so hard because of that jack off. People like that DRG is exactly the reason why DPS will never get any respect.
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    Last edited by MilesSaintboroguh; 10-09-2014 at 02:26 PM.

  9. #1089
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    EmeraldAres's Avatar
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
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    You have far more patience for griefers than I do. I don't think I have ever initiated a vote kick on someone myself, but I have agreed on a few votes involving particularly unpleasant individuals. People like this are bad enough under normal circumstances, but this was happening in Aurum Vale of all places. If I saw a jerk like that just rejoin like that, I'd be gone in a heartbeat. I take a lot of abuse, but a vote kicked griefer rejoining the same party is just something I wouldn't be able to handle. Kudos for putting up with his antisocial behavior.
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  10. #1090
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    I think we all knew that if all 3 of us kept kicking him out, he would just come back again. Seriously Square, why do you allow people who are kicked to rejoin the same instance?

    But also, I really wanted to finish the dungeon so I could level my BLM to 50 and didn't want to be locked out of content for 30 minutes (I am also doing Nexus farming and being locked out would have sucked). I've seen far worse griefers. The worst part is that the healer KNEW who this tool was since they're both apparently in the same FC and he had pulled this nonsense off before. Maybe their FC leader promotes that kind of behavior or they just don't care. I feel awful for that healer who had to put up with him.
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