Impatient/rude players

[LionKing]

First lesson: If the run is your first time, please say in advance without being asked. A lot of time, the newcomers never say anything, even after being asked (because they were afraid of being kicked for being a newbie), then have no clue what to do. Vet/Exp players are not stupid and they can see right away through your performance whether you are new or not. I have zero tolerance for those who is new, but not say anything then mess up the fight, I kick them straight away upon realising.

Second lesson: Listen to the instruction and act according to the instruction. Nothing piss the Vet/Exp players more than a first timer doing whatever he/she want, ignoring the instruction, then mess up the fight. Kick is always the result for such behaviours.

Third lesson: Learn to take criticism and when to put a stop to those criticises. Acting like you know everything about the fight despite you know naught is a sure way to get you kicked. And fighting back with insults will produce the same results. It is harsh, I know but you have to learn to deal with it, not fight back words with words and Report player is there for a reason if you feel you are being insulted OVER the line.

There are a lot of reasons behind kicking a player out of party and often that most, it is not because you are a first timer.

[Grotesque]

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So you abuse the vote kick system, because another player doesn't follow your so-called personal vet/exp expectations. Good ban candidate. Unfortunately, Vote Kick is not for kicking bad / new players, just bad luck if you have one in your DF group.

[LionKing]

So you abuse the vote kick system, because another player doesn't follow your so-called personal vet/exp expectations. Good ban candidate. Unfortunately, Vote Kick is not for kicking bad / new players, just bad luck if you have one in your DF group.

How is that a abusing vote kick system? There is an option deserving a vote kick is "Harassment". By not saying you are new DESPITE being asked nicely at the start of the fight, failing to follow instruction, doing w/e they want and think they are contributing, and because of that attitude, he/she is wasting other people times and that is a form of harassment. It is not like "Oh hey you are new. You fail. Kick". Vote Kick is there, so we have the option to kick those kind of people without sacrificing our time or face the penalty for leaving mid-way.

Note to you guys that I am not forced anyone to follow my way or any of so-called Vet/Exp expectation. However, if you are new, not knowing the very basic of the fights, better not trying to be a wannabe hero and piss people off but rather follow the instruction, understand the fight, not there to show off yourself in a wrong way. Do teacher kick the stubborn students and those who fails to follow instruction out of the class? Yes they do.

[Grotesque]

Seems like you fail to read my post carefully. Please read again...Just please..

I did. You have your standards: Say when you're new, listen to me, don't fail again, otherwise kick. Thats your statement. However, you can't force any player to follow your standards. Simple as that deal with it by not using DF and go with peeps of your mindset. Yes, it is annoying if someone doesn't want to listen or learn, but that is DF. Abusing Vote Kick is not the way to go.

[LionKing]

I did. You have your standards: Say when you're new, listen to me, don't fail again, otherwise kick. Thats your statement. However, you can't force any player to follow your standards. Simple as that deal with it by not using DF and go with peeps of your mindset. Yes, it is annoying if someone doesn't want to listen or learn, but that is DF. Abusing Vote Kick is not the way to go.

You sure are fast on answering, are you not?
And never once in my post, I said listen to me, did I? I said listen to INSTRUCTIONS!!!
And I never say I would kick those are new, you are new ( no answering after being asked) + Fail to follow INSTRUCTIONS ( not necessary to be mine)= Kick.
And my kick, alone is not enough to kick anyone. It is the majority rule. Sure I can be a jerk and initiate the vote but only when the majority agrees with me that the individual deserves to be kicked, be kicked.
And not just only limit to DF, when I join in any Duns via DF, I expect that kind of behaviours already, then again, the majority rules. When they are in my party, I have the whole right to do things that within my rights as a party leader, given any individual is holding the group back or being obnoxious, intoxicated, anything that will damage the benefit of the group.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

How is that a abusing vote kick system? There is an option deserving a vote kick is "Harassment". By not saying you are new DESPITE being asked nicely at the start of the fight, failing to follow instruction, doing w/e they want and think they are contributing, and because of that attitude, he/she is wasting other people times and that is a form of harassment. It is not like "Oh hey you are new. You fail. Kick". Vote Kick is there, so we have the option to kick those kind of people without sacrificing our time or face the penalty for leaving mid-way.

That's...really not harassment.
By like any definition of the word.

Woah. If I saw a level 39 i19 CONJURER in Brayflox, I'd kick you too. That just wasting everyones time.

I would kick you for being pretentious and abusing the votekick system.

[Ignnis]

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So harsh. I agree, say at the start if you are new and most people will give you tips and explain fights however kicking over one mess up, really?

The only thing that kind of rubs me the wrong way is if the new player doesn't interact with you at all and you are desperately trying to explain things to them e.g. tanks that don't know what flash does and people in boss fights that don't follow mechanics even after being told multiple times *cough* titan *cough*. Its always good to keep communication with the group going, if you're on ps3/ps4 Id recommend getting any old usb keyboard and plugging it in to type.

Also only listen to constructive criticism, ignore the "omg n00b" people, they are not worth your time. Get into an FC if possible and you can get help in dungeons from them or read guides online. There are usually guides for dungeons for tanks, healer and dps so you can read/watch one suited to your profession.

[Moqi]

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Please talk for yourself only.

If you're new it helps to say it but omg it takes less than a minute to explain the strat for dungeon bosses, if we wipe the first time I'll explain it and we'll try again. It's not that big of a deal.

Honestly you just have to learn to not take things personally and not care at all about those people. They're just sad, laugh at them and move on, it'll improve your experience a lot. Don't be afraid to leave a dungeon with unpleasant people, it will still be there after the cooldown, it's not worth running it if you're not having fun.

[LionKing]

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Please talk for yourself only.

If you're new it helps to say it but omg it takes less than a minute to explain the strat for dungeon bosses, if we wipe the first time I'll explain it and we'll try again. It's not that big of a deal.

Honestly you just have to learn to not take things personally and not care at all about those people. They're just sad, laugh at them and move on, it'll improve your experience a lot. Don't be afraid to leave a dungeon with unpleasant people, it will still be there after the cooldown, it's not worth running it if you're not having fun.

Thanks for your advice. I don't kick people out of any Duns unless they messed up big times and a repeated offender (trolling is more like it). I was more prefer to those fights like Primals fights, Turn Coils, where you spend like 10 mins explaining to a new guy, then this one run a completely opposite to what we explained, multiple times, in multi-level.

One times, I had 2 new guys in Garuda Ex. Despite after explaining, pressing to look for Spinny and not use the AOE, they went and used AOE skill every single time without fail after we spent 30 mins wipes after wipes because of that very same mistakes. Not just that, after tired of typing "Stack inside" the bubble to avoid Garuda's Ultimate move and had to make a macro just for that very reason, and even after spamming that macro like 10 times with sound effect every single line, they still failed to follow. To this point, I flagged them as trolling intention and don't really care about whether they were new or not. After kicking them, 2 others joined in and we one shotted this.

I don't normally take them personally. However, if anyone, like a certain someone in here, who attacked me personally, by twitching/add my words, falsely accused, purposely wrongly understand my post,etc... Just so they seems to be justified for their attack, I am not gonna sit back and pretend I did not see it.

And about your solution," don't be afraid to leave if you don't want to run with unpleasant people", while I do agree to a certain extend, I do say I disagree with it. It is unjustified to force you to wait 30 mins, just because of one wrong person and you, yourself did not do anything wrong. That is why the vote-kicks is born, to counter that, I believe so.

[jlenoconel]

I said that the people I was working with were being obnoxious, saying stuff like "It should be obvious how to win the battle" so I was hardly in the wrong. I never treat other players with such distaste unless they just suck outright, even then I'm not rude. It like some players just want things to go their own way and when it doesn't they end up getting rude.