Paladin needs an enmity/potency buff.

[melflomil]

I think when we get further in the lifespan of this game Warriors will only use defiance in the beginning of a boss fight to get ridiculous enmity and turn off defiance for the rest of the fight. Thrill of battle and Vengeance should be enough to help with survive-ability and the occasional defiance > infuriate > inner beast.

Full str accessoires make a huge difference. If you would switch the roles, the PLD could easily grab aggro.

And btw, your WAR cannot keep up Storm's Path and Eye 100% AND use Butchers Block.

storm path 1st which i think is like 20s storm eye is 15 seconds. He probably does lets Storm path falls off and reapplies it after storms eye is applied again.

[SeraviEdalborez]

storm path 1st which i think is like 20s storm eye is 15 seconds. He probably does lets Storm path falls off and reapplies it after storms eye is applied again.

Storm's Eye lasts 15s. For the following: H > M > SE > H > S > BB, it will be reapplied by the next SE just before it falls off. If you deviate, it does not stay up for that SE (and however many autoattacks you have before it goes back up).

If you wait until it falls off completely to reapply it, starting from Heavy Swing, you're doing it wrong from a DPS perspective.

[SirTaint]

Then please, either fix the math or link your parses (there are plenty at the end of the thread I linked btw).

At work right now but here is a good 16 page read for you.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...e-Off-Tank-DPS

[Alphras]

The only relevant thing I can see there is the opening post with the three parses (well dps numbers, weapon speed of the PLD would be interesting here). If I am missing something please link me that. While you are at it please have a look at the parses from this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2225374

Edit: Weapon Speed would have been 2.08. So actually better than the Curtana for Sword Oath.

[SeraviEdalborez]

The only relevant thing I can see there is the opening post with the three parses (well dps numbers, weapon speed of the PLD would be interesting here). If I am missing something please link me that.

Last couple dozen or so posts. It's not a particularly long thread. Just scroll past stuff until you see pics.

[Alphras]

Yeah, but there are only posts about WAR OT damage. Nothing really to compare (beside the OP).

[Gildarts]

since you keep saying PLD OT do more dmg i think you are the one who should give us parser numbers since there is lots of war numbers out there

[Giantbane]

I don't really get what you are talking about. Could you explain where these 5 minutes come from?

Edit: And it is pretty strange how you are calculating burst hate for WAR, but average hate for PLD (who can take advantage of Storm's Eye too btw).

The post I was responding (FallenWings) talked about her previous post where she mathed out damages done/threat generated by WAR vs. PLD under varying conditions. It's on the previous page. Her math was all based upon damage done/threat generated in 5 minutes. She asserted that certain things like buffs & auto attack didn't matter much because they would have a similar effect on both classes.

For a PLD the only thing really left out was auto-attack and FoF. Putting these things in for the PLD doesn't create any complexity to the calculation. PLD damage and threat is mostly steady and consistent. And given the duration of FoF, there's very little "trick" to using it, since the duration lasts exactly 4 full combos. You could maybe optimize it a little if you had a bunch of skill speed to fit a 13th attack under FoF, but skill speed is the least desirable stat for PLD so I don't think that's worth worrying about. So FoF ends up providing a very uniform 10% boost across the board.

The WAR buffs are more complicated. The reason for showing the WAR's burst combo is to show how a WAR can adjust his combo to provide burst that goes beyond what just applying a % increase on his average damage or threat would indicate. This is something available to the WAR that is not available to the PLD currently.

So I presented the Burst combo to compare the threat it generates in 20seconds to what was already calculated for the PLD in 5 minutes to show just how potent it can be. This number calculated for the PLD includes Storm's eye.

[Giantbane]

since you keep saying PLD OT do more dmg i think you are the one who should give us parser numbers since there is lots of war numbers out there

It's been beaten to death, PLD OT does pull a bit ahead with Storm's Eye when parsers are accurate. Most are not accurate, particularly during large fights, because they don't pick up Sword Oath for some reason.

[Alphras]

since you keep saying PLD OT do more dmg i think you are the one who should give us parser numbers since there is lots of war numbers out there

I already provided some parses for PLD/WAR with the same equipment (albeit from me) and the math that backs it up. Please take a look at the links.

And considering the BG parses, ACT seems to have problems with SwO (which was mentioned in the thread i linked too), that could explain the difference between them and the parses I posted.