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  1. #11
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    Abriael's Avatar
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    Abriael Rosen
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    Heals simply draw more aggro than they did before. Tanking has become challenging, but it's completely doable.

    Maybe your tank should learn his job a little better

    A little hint for him: Since heals now draw more aggro, he can most certanly do the same.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 07-23-2011 at 12:20 PM.

  2. #12
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    Ruffles Original
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Someone who goes and attempt a world NM please let me know (ie Uraeus, Gob, Buffalo, Dodore, or Elder Moss Horn). There is no issue with holding hate in the dugeons what so ever.
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    when a cure 1 mid fight steals hate from a glad who tuanted and voked u know its broken ive learned this from experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffles View Post
    My linkshell and I attempted to go fight Uraeus and the Gob NM tonight, we have killed them very easily prior to the 1.18 patch. But tonight when we began to fight them, tanks could not hold hate at all and they were all over the mages. This was to the point where tanks would spam all there abilities Taunt, Warmonger, Accomplice etc. and the mage would take hate after 2 cure 1s and a cure 3 while using sough speak and chameleon.
    Has anyone else attempted to fight the NMs after the patch yet? The hate algorithms seem really off atm.
    It's not broken

    You just have to manage hate better.

    Nms are easy to kill once you get used to new system. Also, mages and archers (especially mages) should try equipping anti-emnity skills.
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  5. #15
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    Abriael Rosen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorchyWorchy View Post
    when a cure 1 mid fight steals hate from a glad who tuanted and voked u know its broken ive learned this from experience
    If that happens his hate was already weak to begin with.
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    Archer Lv 20
    please think of Gladiator class as of tank, now its just mid dps with shield. Provoke doesnt work at all. I think it shouldnt be this way. When Glad uses provoke in PT, his enmity is green, nonsense if he was aimed at tank class. I dunno but I thik it worked fine before update, just now it is awfully broken. I know you removed ability to taunt, but skill is completelly useless. It was tank after all. Actually I had fun, etc. Before grinding. Now I dont have. Its not just NM point, but yes.

    Provoke should be adjusted, its not working now at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post

    Maybe your tank should learn his job a little better
    Provoke has way longer cooldown than needs to hea.
    I only have in mind taunt, provoke nonstop. I didnt try this if that will work. But provoke did not turn enmity even in orange.

    But in this cause taunt, provoke < both on CD. one heal and tank is useless again.
    Do you play 30 Glad with no enough abilities ? Or you re telling me that 50 tank is just fine.
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  8. #18
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    Abriael Rosen
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    At 50 with gladiator tanking is just fine, mind you, it's just fine even at 36 with marauder. You need to learn to use all your tools, and to spread them. Also, self-healing and debuffs help a LOT in holding hate.

    You cannot expect taunts to hold aggro by themselves, and it shouldn't be like that.
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    Last edited by Abriael; 07-23-2011 at 02:20 PM.

  9. #19
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    Firon Veleth
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    Yeah using cure's on your self takes a lot of hate so does heavy slash and heavy thrust.....
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffles View Post
    My linkshell and I attempted to go fight Uraeus and the Gob NM tonight, we have killed them very easily prior to the 1.18 patch. But tonight when we began to fight them, tanks could not hold hate at all and they were all over the mages. This was to the point where tanks would spam all there abilities Taunt, Warmonger, Accomplice etc. and the mage would take hate after 2 cure 1s and a cure 3 while using sough speak and chameleon.
    Has anyone else attempted to fight the NMs after the patch yet? The hate algorithms seem really off atm.
    According to people who argued with me that CON didn't get broken... that's just balancing, bro!
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