SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Chocobits]

lol people bitch about hating Surplus XP, then bitch about the balance issues they iron out in its abolishment. Can't ever win.

I agree with this, to an extent. I think the lowered SP/kill should have been taken down in increments while the system is being updated to be more "party friendly", instead of all at once. Lower SP/kill by 50-150~ per patch until we have a working party invitation system that allows us to search and find players seeking, not suddenly earning 15-25% of what we used to.

Also, to not contradict earlier statements he's made about leves being solo friendly, leve mobs should give an SP/Kill that decreases with a larger number of party members. IE they give 400-600 per kill solo at the optimal range, 300-500 in a duo party, 200-400 in a trio, and so on and so forth.

And finally, in recent years FFXI has adjusted the amount of exp given to solo players fighting "Easy Prey" or "Decent Challenge" mobs (mobs less than 10-15~ levels below your current level) to cater more to casual soloers. A soloer can earn quite a decent amount of exp/hr in FFXI by focusing on mobs that are below the optimal level to form a party against.

One thing I would like to see in this thread: I'm seeing a lot of "Nu uh! We got xxx SP/Kill and XXXXX SP Bonus so you're doing it wrong!" I'm not seeing too many specifics: particular leves, level range, # of party members, completion time, or anything that would contribute to their alleged success. It's like, if you've found a system that works, don't share a crumb of helpful info and instead troll the rest of the community for their ignorance.

On the other camp, we have nerd raaaage and solemn oaths of abstaining from/quitting the game until they get their way.

So let's take something positive out of this:

Those of us that would actually like to form a grind party would all LOVE a proper search function so we can efficiently form up.
Those of us that are casual soloers would love to see a BIT more reward for our work. The MP costs make soloing slightly less efficient and therefore we should receive reasonable gains.
Those of us that use "MMO doesn't stand for SOLO" as our manta should hurl ourselves into traffic. Yoshi-P specifically said the game would be solo accessible.
Those of us who want to raaage and then ragequit should just do it and not talk about it. Stuff will get fixed eventually but not on OUR schedule.

All that said, this entire update was very large and encompassed a lot of aspects of the game that needed fixing. As a whole though it feels like it was lacking in global perspective; I personally don't feel due consideration was given to the players left to cope with an incomplete implementation of a new leveling system. We're stuck in a limbo where many of our old ways are no longer viable, but the new ways won't be viable for some time. The few ways that apparently do seem to work are the highly guarded secrets of tight-lipped but loose-tongued trolls.

*edit* And do rate up this post if you agree. It's the most enlightening and universally applicable post you've read in this and many other threads.

[Fated]

I am glad somebody else figured out how to play their jobs correctly

Didn't realize you were already playing with the Job system.

[Ventus]

You apparently do not read these threads so ill bold this for you..

LEVES ARE NO LONGER THE MAIN LEVELING MECHANIC FOR THE GAME STOP PLAYING IN THE PAST AND ADAPT!

yes yes yes we get it you read lodestone posts, so do I =D! high five!

The main issue here is how awful they are despite supposedly being a viable source of soloing/duoing in the game as claimed by yoshida.

*edit
never before has a thread made me this pissed off with how rude people are being and look what that's done for me? Pissed me off too.

People like abriael may have a point but they sure as hell didn't start off their conversation by soudning like the nicest of people now did they? It's a endless cycle of rage as I've seen so far

[Bled]

yes yes yes we get it you read lodestone posts, so do I =D! high five!

The main issue here is how awful they are despite supposedly being a viable source of soloing/duoing in the game as claimed by yoshida.

Yes and since you claim to have read the loadstone you would also know that the Leves are meant for the casual solo/duo player that is in and out of the game...

[Charismatic]

So... they nerfed behest, not only do you get less SP, you can only participate half as often. So, that's more than a 50% cut from behest SP/
They also nerfed the max potential gain from leves, very few people are getting as much or more than before.

Someone explain to me how this is positive in any way other than the removal of fatigue... honestly, that's really all they needed to do. Mob grinding, which is about the only viable way to rank up now, was already viable. All they did was destroy everything else.

[Ventus]

Yes and since you claim to have read the loadstone you would also know that the Leves are meant for the casual solo/duo player that is in and out of the game...

enough with the sarcasm, it's petty and stupid.

All I'm saying is even with that "in/out of the game" style you say it is now only geared towards it does not even suffice in that respect for sp. He claimed people shouldnt have to take 6+ months 5-6 hours a day to get to cap on a job and yet leves are this awful.

I see what you're saying man, now try to stop shooting what I say down and see if you can see what I'm trying to point out

[Jynx]

Oh man, some people need to take a chill pill.

"Wo is me, my Lev SP has been nerfed" Please relax it's not the end of the world.

[Bled]

I get your opinion but everyone is forgetting the mention of enemy chaining, we have no clue how this mechanic will fare in boosting SP gains. Remember Yoshi stated that this Mob chaining for bonus SP was viable for solo players also.

Please do not forget this is the first overhaul patch and the second day of figuring everything out.

[Xmbei]

Those of us that use "MMO doesn't stand for SOLO" as our manta should hurl ourselves into traffic. Yoshi-P specifically said the game would be solo accessible.

hmmmm maybe people forgot what MMO means... Maybe we should have a reminder MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online "..."
not MASSIVELY SOLOPLAYER online "..." yes there should be some solo content and thats fine its great to have those times when you cant play with other's to go do something on your own, but this is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online game so if you just want to play the game solo from start to finish... you are playing the wrong games. I for one like the idea that yes you can go out and solo sometimes as I already said, but why play an mmo solo ALL the time? So I reiterate MMO DOES NOT MEAN SOLO! it means there is a community to work with and come to a same end.

[Charismatic]

Oh man, some people need to take a chill pill.

"Wo is me, my Lev SP has been nerfed" Please relax it's not the end of the world.

Yeah, maybe when the game gets more low/mid-rank content there'll be something else to worry about... but as is, it's pretty important man.