good bye FFXIV, thanks to the lag, you lost another customer.

[Nakiamiie]

Is there lag on the servers? Yup, but it's not the major lag people are experiencing like so many mentioned.
I think more players need to Fight for Net Neutrality and start questioning their ISP and political representative instead of leaving their wallet mindlessly open.

[Zantitrach]

If there is one thing is the current day and age people should spend a lot of money on (especially if you're an MMO player), it is a stable and fast ISP. Don't blame SE for your lag, blame your unstable and cheap ISP.

I have one choice for internet service where I live. I initially purchased the tier 4 (out of 5) plan, and have moved up to the 1st tier. Helped a little, doesn't solve all the problems

Some folks are forced to use crap internet services purely because that is their ONLY ISP choice. Can't blame them for that.

What this guy said basically.

[nibelunc]

never had lag in this game oO'

[Amberion]

I'm from Portugal and ever since they changed how often they check player input I haven't had any noticeable lag problems in dungeons.

When I did have problems it was because of my ISP provider. After I changed to a new provider, my random lag/disconnect issues are gone.

Isn't the new update rate only in newer dungeons? Also, did not a whole new set of players get lag after that?

Have to wonder how older games functioned on 24.4k modems and what new things games send back and forth that they didn't before.

[Docj]

Do a /tracert to your server, it will show you where the lag occurs. Lag is 100% related to your ISP and the backbones they pay to use for routing their traffic. I experienced lag when I first started playing. I couldn't survive through Titan the lag was so persistent. Doing a trace route would always show huge ping on some of the "Level3 communications" routers. Last November I switched ISP because of this issue. My new ISP uses "Cogent communications" backbone instead of level3. I haven't experienced lag even once since I ditched my old ISP. It certainly isn't issues on SE's end; game plays as smooth as a single player game for me now.

[ElHeggunte]

Isn't the new update rate only in newer dungeons? Also, did not a whole new set of players get lag after that?

Have to wonder how older games functioned on 24.4k modems and what new things games send back and forth that they didn't before.

The new polling rate was initially for new dungeons, but SE has since applied it to all instances.

There's also nothing to "wonder" about. It has less to do with the games and more to do with internet infrastructure. When 24.4k was the norm you didn't have the internet in every household, nor did the people who had it use it as often as they do now. The number of new internet customers increases daily, but depending on the area and the provider the demand for bandwidth can increase much faster than the "supply" side can update their equipment to accommodate the load. It's the same reason why you might not lag at 4am, but trying to play the same game at 8pm is almost impossible. There's only so much bandwidth to go around so if your ISP (or any backbone for that matter) is poorly equipped to meet demand you're going to experience problems if they're routing a large amount of traffic.

[Amberion]

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That would be true if you could still play using the speed of a modem.

But from what people say with their ISP throttling their speed, that is not so. Or are they throttling something else that wreak havoc on their ping?

[ElHeggunte]

That would be true if you could still play using the speed of a modem.

But from what people say with their ISP throttling their speed, that is not so. Or are they throttling something else that wreak havoc on their ping?

In the grand scheme of things your speed is less important than your bandwidth. You can only go as fast as the slowest connection along your path and each node can only accept so many incoming connections before it starts to get overloaded. Connection problems are usually caused by overloaded or capped nodes because there simply isn't enough bandwidth to handle all of the packets. Sometimes it happens because the equipment is outdated and sometimes it happens because the company in control of the equipment purposefully limits connections (in other words, throttling).

Service providers throttling connections is its own kind of monster. Logically they would do it to make sure everyone gets a slice of the connection pie (so you don't have a few people hogging all of the bandwidth), but often times you have them limiting connections in a thinly veiled attempt to get customers to pay them more money for "better" service even though there's plenty to go around otherwise. That's part of why Net Neutrality is so important.

[Lux_Rayna]

I really think that SE isn't giving them heat.

Why wouldnt they? Think SE enjoys losing customers bc some US businesses are being asshats? I thought you understood business. They are more upset about it than you.

Personally I run a business, and anytime a noncompliant company screws with my bottom line I am heated. But outside of a phone call, theres nothing I can do in certain situations.

[Spot]

Being in Europe doesn't necessarily mean you're going to have more latency/lag. Depending where you are and how many hops (and their quality) you go through to get to/out of the undersea cables, you may have less than someone in the midwest of the US.

There are a lot of SE apologists in this thread, but you can't deny that SE has way more issues with lag, latency gameplay issues and disconnects than any other subscription MMO out there. Server-live was just such a poor choice, even for a "slow paced" game.