Now that Nexus is out... still a good idea to put piety on Blm Novus or no?

[Numenor1379]

I'll take a 46ss, 23det, 8crit Nexus over what you have anyday though. I still don't see why you choose piety as the stat to cheap out on when you could have easily melded it with crit.

Sure I could, and actually I can at any point I choose right now (I've got the Alexandrite and materia sitting in my inventory to do exactly this). But what's the point?

I run a lot of solo content, as well as stuff without SCHs (not SCoB obviously). So having the 251 Piety is nice w/o having to rely on anyone else. Secondly the DPS loss is minimal, I'd be surprised it if was more than 5 (oddly enough no one seems willing to actually run the numbers to find out and I can't as I am on a PS4). Having 251 Piety gives flexibility, is cheaper than a full DET build, and is very nice for solo work.

Have several million gil or are willing to spend the time soulbonding? Sure, go the optimal route of SSPD/DET. Perhaps some day even I will. But I really question how much of an increase it is, all we're talking about here is 8 DET... just 8. It's not like we're talking 20 or 50.

[Uninstall]

You pop a NQ Mulled Tea for each time you wanna run some solo content or just use Thunder I instead of Thunder II for those situations.

[Numenor1379]

You pop a NQ Mulled Tea for each time you wanna run some solo content or just use Thunder I instead of Thunder II for those situations.

Which requires one to always have on hand. Far easier to not have to worry about it to begin with. Again, let's get some actual numbers to see what we are arguingover because frankly this is getting silly. 8 DET, 8 CRIT, 8 PIE.... Come on now, what does the real delta in DPS come to?

[SeraviEdalborez]

Slippery slope. How much "doesn't matter" does it take to matter?

Also you completely ignored the part about how you can just use Thunder 1.

[Urielparadox]

It takes 251 or 5-9 pity depending on race to add another fire. You say stupid amount like it requires more then 20. Which means you don't play blm and if you do, you don't pay attention to your mp. No one ignored thunder 1, if you don't have enough spell speed and use thunder 1 you spend over 5 second on average without thunder up, something your little damage calculator doesn't tell you. This assuming only 1 fir starter proc. At a 6 fire cast vs a 5 that means you should get 2 vs 1 firestarter. The second you get 1 firestarter proc and 1 thunder proc while mid cycle then you pass up everyone

[Numenor1379]

Sure, one can use T1... That's not what's being discussed however as the optimal rotations not considering PIE are well documented. We are talking about the DPS loss of 8 PIE on a Novus weapon. I don't recall ever saying it "doesn't matter", I said the loss was "minimal" and that we should get some hard numbers so this entire argument can be put to rest.

Test the 251 Pie on the T2 and T1 single target rotation. Also test AoE rotations including F2's with Flares when using Convert. Then real comparisons can be made and what can be said is "if you go with a 251 PIE build, you lose X DPS". Frankly I really doubt that X will be much.

[SeraviEdalborez]

It takes 251 or 5-9 pity depending on race to add another fire. You say stupid amount like it requires more then 20. Which means you don't play blm and if you do, you don't pay attention to your mp

You need way more than that much PIE to do a 6fire rotation, like in the realm of 304ish to do it consistently. People do 5fire rotation normally and you do not need any extra PIE to do it even if you are a Highlander (or whatever the worse PIE race is). 6fire is a silly build that doesn't so anything special and I don't think you realize that's what I was talking about.

[Exstal]

People try to meld in that much PIE? Are they new? What a colossal waste of stats.

For non-full party stuff you don't need 251 PIE since you're facerolling it. For full party stuff, if you have no SCH there is a different issue. But if you're in party with a SCH and still don't have 251 then you'll have to make up the difference with a Novus meld or two.

[SeraviEdalborez]

People try to meld in that much PIE? Are they new? What a colossal waste of stats.

I did it wearing healer PIE accs for the sake of testing how much you would need in theory if you melded a lot of i90 (accessories or otherwise) or Novus/Nexus. It was still shaky depending on when exactly UI3 ticks occurred even with that much PIE; any less and you basically run the risk of having all this PIE but still occasionally only doing 5 fires per rotation.

It was a very, very slight DPS increase using 0 TC or FS procs in 3m30s trials, using identical gear between the 5fire(normal) and 6fire trials. Which basically means "not worth it".

Only reason I looked into it was for people who wear Diamond Rings with VIT on them for Savage Coil. Since you're wearing a i90 piece anyways, wanted to see if melding enough PIE to hit 6fire would get you higher DPS than if you had melded something else like Crit or Speed.

If someone else wants to take a stab at it, feel free. Didn't seem worth the effort.

[Uninstall]

It takes 251 or 5-9 pity depending on race to add another fire. You say stupid amount like it requires more then 20. Which means you don't play blm and if you do, you don't pay attention to your mp. No one ignored thunder 1, if you don't have enough spell speed and use thunder 1 you spend over 5 second on average without thunder up, something your little damage calculator doesn't tell you. This assuming only 1 fir starter proc. At a 6 fire cast vs a 5 that means you should get 2 vs 1 firestarter. The second you get 1 firestarter proc and 1 thunder proc while mid cycle then you pass up everyone

Nope, I am pretty sure we all play Black Mage, but just at a higher level than you are.