People kicking new players for watching cs's.....just stupid.

[ExKage]

Personally I love and prefer quick and efficient runs.

However when I used to run these two I'd either stop and wait or continued but told them what to do (chute/magitek etc) if the rest of the group did not want to wait. Most groups I was with had players fine with it. If people ran ahead they usually found themselves dying. I've only had 1-2 people in those runs say "watch at inn" but when someone said "nah let them watch" they shut up.

Personally, I believe that any bonus from roulette has always been incentive for people to queue for places that people do not run anymore. Cutscenes were made optional by Square Enix and are not mandatory. It is a -courtesy- to stop and wait while people watch.

I think it is an utter $&#^ move to kick for wanting to watch however.

[Amberion]

And where exactly would a new player get this impression? Every fight and dungeon beforehand is never an issue.

That is really simple to answer. It's a human behavior. People should have learned that while growing up.

[Turbotailz86]

And where exactly would a new player get this impression? Every fight and dungeon beforehand is never an issue. It seems to only happen with the last two missions. The last two. That's cool that you caught on early, I guess, but no one can reasonably expect that to be the case for every new player.

They'll catch on to it later if someone notifies them about it or when they realize players were waiting on them to finish their CS during the primal fights intro. That's why I said this argument can go both ways. It's not bad a thing, but it's not good either. Luckily this game has decent players with patience, but as you said the last two missions is problematic with the CS case.

That is really simple to answer. It's a human behavior. People should have learned that while growing up.

Pretty much this in general. Everyone is different and handles the situation different.

[Teirshin]

eh i still find it rude. that she was kicked for simply watching a CS. That alone SCREAMS WoW mentality......ive been on FF11 and FF14 1.0 and never encountered such pettiness....

Welcome to modern day FFXIV.

The playerbase here remains one of the most spoiled, hostile and "me me me, screw you" that I've seen in years of MMO playing. It makes the bad days of WoW look like a pleasant country social.

Its not going to change either.

[Granyala]

And where exactly would a new player get this impression? Every fight and dungeon beforehand is never an issue. It seems to only happen with the last two missions. The last two. Every other one leading up to them is usually hassle-free. That's because there aren't a thousand cutscenes sprinkled throughout the entire dungeon in every other one before CM/Prae.

Exactly. Lets hope the DEVs learned their lesson and do not repeat mistakes like that.
Long winded CS belong at the END of the dungeon, where everyone can watch hassle free.

Personally I can't even enjoy a CS when I know that 3/7 other people are sitting there and waiting to get on with the game.

[VesperValveto]

Hate to break it to you, but I reported someone for this behavior and now they are no longer playing. Please stop feeding lies to people.

That doesn't mean anything, just because someone stops playing doesn't mean they were banned. Sorry, but that's not proof of anything. It's also not a lie, considering it is SE's policy. Just because you don't like a fact doesn't make that fact a lie.

To your other point, since when did we start talking about gear and ilevel in this discussion? This was about skipping/kicking for cut-scenes. At least stay on topic or I will report you for trolling.

It was in response to your "vanilla experience" comment, feel free to report me though and find out what happens when you falsely report people ^_^

Edit- Looks like others have seen GM take actions against this as well. How is that quote working out for you? I guess being rude and disrespectful to new players isn't something the GMs take kindly. Seems you have lost.

If you bothered to read the "example" you would see they were irrelevant to this conversation, as well as they were prolly made up, seeing how actions taken against other players by GMs are not shared. Seems like you jumped the gun on your decision to say that SE's policy "lost".

In all the runs I did of Prae/CM, I haven't seen a person watching CS kicked, especially now that there is a added myth bonus. Glad to see people like Vesper are the minority in such behavior.

Glad to see that you don't bother to read any of my posts, and also believe that what you have seen is the way things go on every run. And you wanted to imply that I was the troll? lol ^_^.

[SalemP]

I'm guessing you don't really understand the word "ironic". etc etc

Your attempt to insult my intelligence is pretty transparent and falls short. It's an attempt at a strawman as it does nothing to illustrate your viewpoint. Furthermore it neither makes you look smarter nor does it make you right.

At BEST all you've done in this thread is show that you (and others) are abusing a loophole. If someone really think SE encourages or is ok with players effectively forcing other players to skip core content, then I have to question THEIR intelligence.

[NyarukoW]

From the GM:

..To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

Guess what if people discussed and agreed to watching cutscenes, and people still abused the vote kick, that is something that is clearly actionable by the GM. Expect your suspension to be coming. SE and GMs havee plenty of wiggle room and they will do what they need.

Our former FC master was trolling CT, and got reported and the GM talked to him and issued him a warning. He quit trolling CT after that. If you think GM are just bots sending auto-reply mail, go test them, and don't be surprised if you get a permanent ban.

One the of things you can do when doing Prae the first time is announce that you are new and that you will watch the cutscenes, and hopefully more people will chime in and support that. And if the one jerk start verbally abusing you for that, you got the logs to report them to the GM. And if they stay silent and vote kick, then it is clear evidence of vote kick abuse for ignoring what is being discussed, an it will be in the logs to show the GM. The unfortunate problem is newbies and 1st-timers usually are not savvy enough to do these things, and they get abused.

[NyarukoW]

..If people discussed and agreed to watching the CS, and the vote kick was passed, then it obviously didn't go in favor of the people wanting to watch the CS. .

And people that agree to loot rules and then violate it, that is also actionable by the GM. You don't get to renege on your agreements without consequence. And if you silent vote kick people during a discussion before it is agreed, that is clear harassment of other party members. That is also actionable.

[ExKage]

Not to take a stance but from what I've read of Vesper's posts, they would agree that yes if the group did not object to someone watching cutscenes but were then kicked, that the situation would be something actionable by the GMs when reported.

The thing is that from most of these complaint threads, I've never really read of a situation where the group were actually in that type of reportable situation.

Most cases I'd never seen someone vote kicked... then again I'd never seen someone get hostile and abusive with newbies watching cutscenes, which would then be reportable by the victim for harassment.